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capsteve

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 111
Location: NIAGARA FALLS NY

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:10 pm Post subject: aileron throw

Can anyone (rv10) with their wings on tell me how much throw is in

the control stick in the aileron direction? Probably be easiest to just

measure from left sidewall to the stick deflected to the left and the

distance from the left sidewall to the stick with right deflection of

aileron. I'm scratch building a panel and need to ensure clearance.. thx

Steve d

40205

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ScooterF15

Joined: 19 Jun 2006
Posts: 136

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:39 am Post subject: aileron throw

Steve,

  

 I don't have my airplane handy, but I want to point out that I  had to cut around 3 or 4 inches off the top of each stick for clearance reasons.  That makes a big difference in clearance. Make sure that you take that into  account when someone gives you a full left to full right measurement.

  

 Jim

  

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    Can anyone (rv10) with    their wings on tell me how much throw is in

the control stick in the    aileron direction? Probably be easiest to just

measure from left sidewall    to the stick deflected to the left and the

distance from the left sidewall    to the stick with right deflection of

aileron. I'm scratch building a panel    and need to ensure clearance.. thx

Steve d

40205

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jesse(at)itecusa.org
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:34 am Post subject: aileron throw

Although I understand the concern, I don't think I would worry too much

about having full travel, because except during your control check, I can't

imagine EVER going full travel on the controls (especially since we aren't

aerobatic).  Moving two inches to the left or right will get you into a

pretty steep turn, and two inches forward or back will get you very

nose-high or nose-low.  We also cut the sticks all the way down and put the

Infinity Aerospace grips as far down as they will go to clear the panel, but

if we ever got close to the panel in flight, the moron flying would be

trying some kind of snap-outside-loop or something, which I certainly would

not want to be a part of.  Pulling all the way back on landing is the only

one that would be common, when you flare.



Just IMHO, so do not archive.



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

W: 352-465-4545

C: 352-427-0285



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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:41 am Post subject: aileron throw

With the elevator in neutral and full left aileron, the distance from the stick to the left fuselage skin is 5".  Full right aileron, measured at the same spot, it is 17.5"

do not archive.

 Rob Kermanj



 



On Nov 6, 2006, at 2:09 AM, Steven DiNieri wrote:

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	Can anyone (rv10) with their wings on tell me how much throw is in

the control stick in the aileron direction? Probably be easiest to just

measure from left sidewall to the stick deflected to the left and the

distance from the left sidewall to the stick with right deflection of

aileron. I'm scratch building a panel and need to ensure clearance.. thx

Steve d

40205





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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:30 am Post subject: aileron throw

Sergei Boriak (Russian Aerobatic Champion) locked our stick grip (in a

Red Star Aircraft)under the instrument panel during Aerobatic Dual

maneuvering. No one thought it was possible. It leaves a life altering

experience.  The maneuver set up the scenario. The aircraft contortion

closed the distance. Metal has memory, Metal flexes and bends.



Although the RV-10 will seldom be in aerobatic configuration. I would

never design an aircraft which could get in that stick configuration

again. "Design for Aerobatic, Load for Utility, fly in Normal

configuration". Adrenalin can be a great thing as your life passes in

your hand(s) while you say - "Damn!"



I want full ability to input full UNRESTRICTED control movement to

correct any conceivable configuration and I want it "NOW".  Sorry Jesse,

now offense intended.



"Safety first, safety always".... I like your question Steven. Design

for all possibilities, not just the common ones.  Just IMHO.  Sounds

like the answer from Rob is 12.5" from full left to full right or 6.25

left and right of neutral.  Any second confirmations?  I believe the

elevator movement is greater and that one needs posting that as well due

to contact with the center of the switch panel.



While we are at it, could we get a Full rudder forward and Full rudder

aft measurement too?  That means Rudder stop to Rudder stop but measured

at the foot pedals.



John Cox

(503) 453-6016

Do not Archive



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sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.c
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject: aileron throw

You definitely do not want your stick hitting anything at all.  My stick

was hitting on full down because of my Aerocrafters panel that hangs

about 1.5 inches lower than the stock panel and the Infinity grips are a

little taller.  I had to higher a tig welder to come out and weld about

a 1 inch extension to the stick which brings it back, away from the

panel. Now during my preflight I can work the control surfaces with full

deflection and not hit anything.  



N104XP - 35 hours

Scott Schmidt

sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com



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AV8ORJWC

Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: aileron throw

Scott, on a light hearted note.  Since no one is responding to stick

travel fore and aft or rudder pedal travel.



If you had a welder place a 1.5" extension to correct the high grip,

Wouldn't that grip hit the equipment between your legs or was that

picture from the back seat (over six months ago) representative of

additional long legged clearance.



Still wondering fore to aft travel.  And I still have your avgas money

in escrow for the first Grand Champion award.  Casa Grande was not the

same without you.



N49CX - not yet flying

John Cox

Do not Archive for obvious reasons



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capsteve

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 111
Location: NIAGARA FALLS NY

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:07 am Post subject: aileron throw

Thanks for the info.  

I measured the rudder pedals from the firewall mounted in full aft position (I’m short)  

Left pedal 4” – 10”             right  pedal 4.5” – 11”        measured on pilots side  

   

Also rudder cable travel is 4 1/2” stop to stop as measured from the clevis hole in the rudder  

Steve d  

40205  

   

   

With the elevator in neutral and full left aileron, the distance from the stick to the left fuselage skin is 5".  Full right aileron, measured at the same spot, it is 17.5"    

   

    

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wv4i(at)bellsouth.net
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:01 am Post subject: aileron throw

Sorry, but I have to chime in with John C. on this one. You should NEVER

have restricted control movement by design. While it is true that the

control stick box, rudder travel for that matter, is/are normally rather

confined, especially at higher airpspeeds, there ARE situations, and in

other than aerobatic flight, where full control movement may be

required. I encourage anyone considering restricted control movement, by

design, to give this latter point serious consideration.



Example, and on the lighter side, a wake turbulence encounter.... A

neighbor, the other day, reported substantial wake turbulence and

control recovery effort after being "thumped" by an F-15 whilst on final

to our airport. What TFR? What presidential visit in progress some

12-15nm away, hi? Intercept procedures and required response, huh?

Anyway, point is to always consider the unexpected, and in this case the

need for full control authority, always.



Link McGarity

#40622 elevators

RV6/N42GF/flying, non builder

bldgrv10450(at)comcast.ne
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:47 am Post subject: aileron throw

Thanks Steve:

 For rudder control I am planning to start with new steel cross tubs and fabricate new  drops for relocation of the rudder cables into the center of the tunnel.  Additionally, I am working on a single center drop arm for each pedal.  The finish should be lighter weight, more foot room, and vanity covers for  master cylinders and hoses. A plus if I can work it out might be easy  adjustably. I will post pictures as this takes shape.

 Paul Grimstad

RV10 40450

Portland, OR  97219



  

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sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.c
Guest

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:53 pm Post subject: aileron throw

Now I have to be very careful how I answer this. I don't want to just

say that there is plenty of clearance, but I also don't want people to

think I didn't think through this and engineer it so that it does hit.

Hahaha



No, there is plenty of clearance for me. Now if you were pretty short

with a large gas tank for a sex machine (beer belly) you may have some

problems when you pull the stick back all the way.  But so far everyone

you has flown it has plenty of clearance.  



I sure wish Van would have had adjustable rudder pedals like the RV-8

though.  It would have give people more options for proper adjustment. 



Scott Schmidt

sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com

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