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jdalton77(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject: Mini Jets - Think about the possibiities

There was a short thread on VasnAirforce about these mini-jets that some folks are experimenting with.  They range from 50-300 lbs of thrust and run on liguid propane.  They're light and small (largest one is 44")

  

 What, in the opinion of the all of you, could be the use of these?  Extra lift at takeoff?  Faster climb?  Emergency engine out?  dead weight?  It doesn't seem like you could carry enough fuel for anything but specialized use - but on the other hand - I could see some advantages.

  

 I don't know how it might work structurally, but the thrust is so small it probably could be engineered.

  

 Might be nice if you were on floats.

  

 Jeff

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject: Mini Jets - Think about the possibiities

I don't know anything about the little jets, but I think a set of

4 rockets, done à la "Fat Albert" (Blue Angels) would be kind of

a cool addition.  Could make the RV-10 basically a VTOL. 



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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jdalton77(at)comcast.net wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   There was a short thread on VasnAirforce about these mini-jets that some 

 folks are experimenting with.  They range from 50-300 lbs of thrust and 

 run on liguid propane.  They're light and small (largest one is 44")

  

 What, in the opinion of the all of you, could be the use of these?  

 Extra lift at takeoff?  Faster climb?  Emergency engine out?  dead 

 weight?  It doesn't seem like you could carry enough fuel for anything 

 but specialized use - but on the other hand - I could see some advantages.

  

 I don't know how it might work structurally, but the thrust is so small 

 it probably could be engineered.

  

 Might be nice if you were on floats.

  

 Jeff

jdalton77(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject: Mini Jets - Think about the possibiities

Here's a link - they're pretty cool - and affordable.



http://www.vortechonline.com/jets/

Jeff

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mark(at)macomb.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: Mini Jets - Think about the possibiities

Back in the 70s I believe Popular Mechanics had an article about 

building one of these jet engines for a go cart. I see at the link that 

the thing would do 75 MPH! I also recall seeing a film of jet powered 

helicopters. They looked pretty wild starting up at night. I'm still 

trying to figure out how you get fuel to the engine.



I really have to wonder about hooking one to a bicycle. Then again, that 

isn't any worse than a jet powered Waco.



For some real fun you might want to take a lead from the serious model 

rocket people. For some of the big events they get waivers to 25,000 

feet. Four 90 mm engines would probably get you airborne pretty quickly.



Do not archive these ramblings.

Mark



jdalton77 wrote:

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 Here's a link - they're pretty cool - and affordable.

 

 http://www.vortechonline.com/jets/

 

 

 Jeff

 

 

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mgeans(at)provide.net
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:13 pm Post subject: Mini Jets - Think about the possibiities

"Basically VTOL" Tim? Think again and think Space Ship One!

It only took one to lift a 1967 Chevy Impala into the side

of a cliff in '95.  See Darwin Award Link below.  Click on

"JATO Rocket Car".  Have fun browsing afterward!  Copy and

paste if the link doesn't work. 



http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/index_darwin1995.html 



On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 19:36:01 -0600

 Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>

 

 I don't know anything about the little jets, but I think

 a set of

 4 rockets, done à la "Fat Albert" (Blue Angels) would be

 kind of

 a cool addition.  Could make the RV-10 basically a VTOL.

 

 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 do not archive

 

 

 jdalton77(at)comcast.net wrote:

 >There was a short thread on VasnAirforce about these

 mini-jets that some 

 >folks are experimenting with.  They range from 50-300

 lbs of thrust and 

 >run on liguid propane.  They're light and small (largest

 one is 44")

 > 

 >What, in the opinion of the all of you, could be the use

 of these?  

 >Extra lift at takeoff?  Faster climb?  Emergency engine

 out?  dead 

 >weight?  It doesn't seem like you could carry enough

 fuel for anything 

 >but specialized use - but on the other hand - I could

 see some advantages.

 > 

 >I don't know how it might work structurally, but the

 thrust is so small 

 >it probably could be engineered.

 > 

 >Might be nice if you were on floats.

 > 

 >Jeff

 >

 



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jhstarn(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:49 pm Post subject: Mini Jets - Think about the possibiities

I recall seeing several times a film of ideas that didn't work in early 

aviation attempts. One was a bicycle with wings & a tail attached AND a 

jet/rocket motor. They lit it off, it reared up, wobbled & crashed with the 

"rider" in the HOT seat and the jet/rocket still going. Don't think I'll try 

that one right now, still trying to forget the fence.

I doubt this could be classified as "cool".

On floats...yea, that would put you close to water...Just in case.

KABONG  (GBA & GWB) Do Not Archive  8*)



Subject: Re: Mini Jets - Think about the possibiities

 	  Quote: 	
		  > >There was a short thread on VasnAirforce about these

> mini-jets that some

> >folks are experimenting with.  They range from 50-300

> lbs of thrust and

> >run on liguid propane.  They're light and small (largest

> one is 44")

LloydDR(at)wernerco.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:25 am Post subject: Mini Jets - Think about the possibiities

Myth busters proved you could not get an impala airborne, they did get it going fast enough to need a Helicopter to chase it down though. They did this in the pilot #1, can be found here <http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/episode/00to49/episode_11.html>

All jesting aside, when I was in the Navy and first heard about this, we all had the same reaction...I wonder how we can go over to the air side and talk the guys into trying it, you better believe we would have tried it. We even talked about putting one on a boat in Newport Harbor and seeing what would happen! Youth and stupidity go hand in hand!

Dan

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apilot2(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:50 am Post subject: Mini Jets - Think about the possibiities

There is plenty of evidence that the alleged Jato Rocket car never was

more than someone's idea of a good ficitional story. Living near where

it allegedly happened, with statements from the DPS(Highway Patrol)

that there was never such an event, along with the impossible physics,

as in no lifting surface on a car to generate anywhere near enough

lift, lack of sufficient thrust, etc, you can just dump all references

to that story as hogwash.



On 11/13/06, Lloyd, Daniel R. <LloydDR(at)wernerco.com> wrote:

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 Myth busters proved you could not get an impala airborne, they did get it going fast enough to need a Helicopter to chase it down though. They did this in the pilot #1, can be found here <http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/episode/00to49/episode_11.html>

 All jesting aside, when I was in the Navy and first heard about this, we all had the same reaction...I wonder how we can go over to the air side and talk the guys into trying it, you better believe we would have tried it. We even talked about putting one on a boat in Newport Harbor and seeing what would happen! Youth and stupidity go hand in hand!

 Dan

mgeans(at)provide.net
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:09 am Post subject: Mini Jets - Think about the possibiities

Kelly,



I would agree with you.  I didn't know that Mythbusters

repeated the event and failed.  



Back in '95 I was on the tail end of 4 yrs in the USMC in

Tustin, CA and had seen Jatos in action so it seemed

feasable.  I think that in this timeframe NASCAR researched

and began to mandate the roof spoiler to keep cars from

going airborne in reverse when in a spin not related to

this incident but the NASCAR expirience seems to validate

"airborneability" (new word in Matthew's Dictionary of

wordisms) Before Mythbusters it seems like a believeable

crock.



I did have some crazies from my Helicopter squadron who

took 2 8' pallet rollers from the floor of our CH-53E's and

proceeded to attach them to a 4x8 sheet of plywood and sail

along one of the said flats at about 65-70 mph.  They took

pictures of thier stupidity too so I'm with you there

Lloyd.



Matt 

Builder Wanna-be

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:50:24 -0700

 "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <apilot2(at)gmail.com>

 

 There is plenty of evidence that the alleged Jato Rocket

 car never was

 more than someone's idea of a good ficitional story.

 Living near where

 it allegedly happened, with statements from the

 DPS(Highway Patrol)

 that there was never such an event, along with the

 impossible physics,

 as in no lifting surface on a car to generate anywhere

 near enough

 lift, lack of sufficient thrust, etc, you can just dump

 all references

 to that story as hogwash.

 

 On 11/13/06, Lloyd, Daniel R. <LloydDR(at)wernerco.com>

 wrote:

 >

 <LloydDR(at)wernerco.com>

 >

 >Myth busters proved you could not get an impala

 airborne, they did get it going fast enough to need a

 Helicopter to chase it down though. They did this in the

 pilot #1, can be found here



<http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/mythbusters/episode/00to49/episode_11.html>
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   >All jesting aside, when I was in the Navy and first

 heard about this, we all had the same reaction...I wonder

 how we can go over to the air side and talk the guys into

 trying it, you better believe we would have tried it. We

 even talked about putting one on a boat in Newport Harbor

 and seeing what would happen! Youth and stupidity go hand

 in hand!

 >Dan

 >

 



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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:28 pm Post subject: Mini Jets - Think about the possibiities

The link even says it is bogus and nothing more than an urban myth.



Michael

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