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JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:55 am Post subject: Buying a Partial Built Kit

Dear Thread Friends, I'm looking to buy a kit that the original owner has finished most of the tail and part of a wing. A couple questions arise. What documentation for sale to satisfy the FAA for certification is required? When I bought my XL kit directly from ZAC I received a sales certificate that I had to include a copy of to the FAA for certification. Who out there has bought a started kit and successfully got it through FAA ?  Second question is what amount of work can be accomplished by the first builder that will still allow me to be granted a repairman's certificate when I get her flying? That is the "tall pole" in the tent because I would not own a plane I can't work on. Hope to hear soon from some of you smart fellows. Best regards, Bill of Georgia

 N505WP

 601XL-3300

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agbeyer(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject: Buying a Partial Built Kit

A friend of mine just finished and is now flying a Zodiac HD.  He got the kit from a guy that had the wings and tail stuff already done.  He had no trouble with the FAA.  I am not sure what steps he took to register the plane.  The best guy to talk to is Joe Norris of the EAA.  He is in Aviation Services and is a DAR.  He did the inspection on my HDS.  As far as working on your plane the FAA told me that a trained monkey, or your wife can work on the plane, but you need the Repairmans Cert. to inspect it.

 

  

Al from Oshkosh 

HDS-3300 (N645AB) 

275 Hrs. 

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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject: Buying a Partial Built Kit

I just am in process of registeting the plane on the famous -01 FAA paper.  if amateur status, equals 40 hr fly off but repairman's  certificate for annuals is literally automatic.  Option two is LSA status which equals a 25 hour fly off, but would need to take 16hour repairman's license.  You friend probably did what a lot of people have done,  sign that it was 51% amateur built.



Juan



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p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: Buying a Partial Built Kit

Hi Juan,



I think you could be mistaken on the 25 hour phase I test period for 

LSA airplanes.  We had one fellow get only 5 hours for a Kitfox last 

year.  The inspector (not DAR) felt the engine and propeller were 

established (not certified, though) partners and decided a 5 hour 

test period was appropriate.



On the Experimental-AB choice the minimum is 25 hours and 40 is 

required if the power plant is considered a new combination or design.



I believe the down side of Experimental - LSA is the requirement for 

the 2 day course for authority to sign off annual condition inspections.



Best regards,



Paul

XL fuselage

At 02:51 PM 11/29/2006, you wrote:



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		  I just am in process of registeting the plane on the famous -01 FAA 

paper.  if amateur status, equals 40 hr fly off but 

repairman's  certificate for annuals is literally automatic.  Option 

two is LSA status which equals a 25 hour fly off, but would need to 

take 16hour repairman's license.  You friend probably did what a lot 

of people have done,  sign that it was 51% amateur built.



Juan


	


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gfmjr_20(at)HOTMAIL.COM
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:32 pm Post subject: Buying a Partial Built Kit

"documentation for sale to satisfy the FAA for certification is required"



Bill--

   I bought my kit from an individual.  You will need the FAA Bill of Sale 

to be filled out by you and signed by the seller.  In addition you will need 

to call Zenith and have them send you a Bill of sale showing the sale to the 

original purchaser. The government is looking for a complete chain of 

ownership. The last question is tougher----it depends.  Typically it depends 

on how good you are at convincing the FAA inspector or DAR that you 

assembled 51% of the kit.  Remember you don't really have to have assembled 

51% of all of the kit parts , only items that are listed as part of the 51% 

effort.  For example you would not have to have assembled all of the ribs, 

just enough to understand how to do it  etc.

  Keep a good log and photos of your efforts



   I've built 2 planes under these conditions and never had any issue with 

the FAA.

Hope that helps



George May

601XL 912s  13 hours



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JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:15 pm Post subject: Buying a Partial Built Kit

Thanks George, Every little bit helps, Bill

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amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject: Buying a Partial Built Kit

just quoting what EAA specialists at EAA told me.   25hours LSA or 40 Amateur.  

Juan

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DaveG601XL

Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Posts: 351
Location: Cincinnati, Oh

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Buying a Partial Built Kit

When I bought my wing kit partially assembled by somebody else, he had the forethought to give me his ZAC bill of sale.  See if you can get the same.



DaveG

btucke73(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:59 pm Post subject: Buying a Partial Built Kit

Bill,

   

       George is correct.  You need an FAA bill of sale from every owner in the chain;  One from ZAC, and one from every previous owner.  

   

       However, if you already bought a kit from ZAC, you can register the aircraft using the kit serial number and bill of sale provided by ZAC.  Where individual parts come from are of little concern.  This truly is just a paperwork drill - not for the weak hearted or time constrained...

   

       Also, I noticed that someone has plans for sale on the list.  When these plans change hands, make life easier for the purchaser, and fill out an FAA bill of sale for the plans.  With those plans come a serial number for an aircraft.  Regardless if any parts were sold, a bill of sale will be required to register the aircraft.  

    

  R/

   

  Brandon

   

   



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xl(at)prosody.org
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:01 pm Post subject: Buying a Partial Built Kit

The form that you will use to verify that you did > 51% of the work is:

FAA FORM 8000-38, FABRICATION/ASSEMBLY OPERATION CHECKLIST

Go to www.faa.gov and search for 8000-38.



Even though I built from '51% kit' my DAR made me fill out the form

to 'verify' that I did >50% of the work.



Joe E

N633Z (at) BFI

CH601XL, 408 hours

Jabiru 3300, Sensenich 49x64 wood prop

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com wrote:

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 started kit and successfully got it through FAA ?  Second question is what amount

 of work can be accomplished by the first builder that will still allow me to

 be granted a repairman's certificate when I get her flying? That is the "tall

 ....snip

 N505WP

 601XL-3300

 96 hours

JAPhillipsGA(at)AOL.COM
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:19 am Post subject: Buying a Partial Built Kit

Joe, thanks for the info. I'll put that in the finish folder. Bill

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