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lrm(at)skyhawg.com
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 8:17 am Post subject: odd and ends

Ass-a-tone.  Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com

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bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 8:45 am Post subject: odd and ends

On Dec 23, 2006, at 10:48 AM, john butterfield wrote:

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		   what is the best method in getting the sharpie marks

 off surfaces in prep for painting




	


I used lacquer thinner.



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		   best way to seal (if necessary) the fuel connections

 to the fuel selector.  tape or proseal




	


Teflon tape is not recommended for this. If you ever have to remove a  

fitting and replace it, the tiny slivers of teflon tape left behind  

in the female threads tend to come loose and find there way into the  

fuel lines and possibly cause problems. These slivers of teflon are  

nearly impossible to clean out of the female threads.



I used a white teflon based paste for sealing fittings. Even this  

should be applied sparingly to make sure globs of it don't squeeze  

out in the lines. I bought it at the local hardware stored. It comes  

in a small plastic jar with a brush built into the lid. It doesn't  

harden so the fittings can be removed again later if needed. ACS  

sells similar products: Sealube, Bakerseal, Fuelube.



Auto parts stores sell products for this purpose as well. Any fuel  

resistant paste type product will do the job.



Proseal is a two part fuel tank sealer coumpound and not really  

designed for sealing pipe fittings.



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Bryan Martin

N61BM, CH 601 XL,

RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.

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p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: odd and ends

Hi John,



Any organic solvent will remove Sharpie marks from aluminum.  Mineral 

Sprirts (low end paint thinner) will work if you apply some time and 

patience.  Lacquer thinner works instantly, but presents a problem or 

two since it evaporates quickly from your cleaning rag and might be 

harmful to breathe.  Hotter solvents like Xylene will work but are 

definitely hazardous to your health.



Teflon tape is a no-no for plumbing connections in fuel systems.  I 

use hardware store Teflon paste.  Proseal is awful stuff meant to 

seal fuel tanks and the like.  You shouldn't have any need for it 

when making fuel line connections.  If you use the kit approach to 

ZAC planes there are barb connectors that hoses fit over.  In this 

case all you need are hose clamps with no goup applied to either material.



I'm afraid I can't help with the glove box design.  The XL does have 

a huge baggage compartment, so maybe you could mark a little area 

with a Sharpie in the baggage compartment for your gloves.



Have fun,



Paul

XL fuselage

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At 07:48 AM 12/23/2006, you wrote:

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hi list.

a few questions.



what is the best method in getting the sharpie marks

off surfaces in prep for painting



best way to seal (if necessary) the fuel connections

to the fuel selector.  tape or proseal



does anyone have plans or dementions or a good picture

of a glove box for the XL.



john butterfield

601XL corvair

torrance, CA



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dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:48 am Post subject: odd and ends

Laquer thinner dissolves sharpie ink really  fast.

  

 Use a PTFE fuel line sealant. The Black Death is  too permanent.

  

 Haven't decided on a map box yet.

  

 Ed Moody II

 Rayne, LA

 601XL/Jabiru/flap motor

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 11:19 am Post subject: odd and ends

Well everybody else has answered your other points so I'll chime in on the

glove box.



Van's sells a nice glove/map box for a mere $35:



www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1166901109-78-363&browse=airf

rame&product=mbox



<quote>

This map box can be installed in either a completed aircraft or in an

aircraft under construction. Designed for the RV-6/6A, 7/7A, 8/8A, 9/9A.

7 3/8" x 4 3/4" of open panel space is required.



Box dimensions 6 1/4" x 3 7/16" x 12". The 6 1/4" is also the width of most

avionics, which can be handy. Installed weight is 0.80 lbs. The kit comes

with all the necessary hardware, and an accurate template for cutting the

hole in the panel.

<end quote>



-- Craig

dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: odd and ends

Let me emphasize something important here. First  the background..... I am putting in TWO of Advanced Flight Systems'  smaller EFIS/EIS screens which are 6.25" diagonal. I am putting in MINIMAL  backup steam gauges..... a 2.25" ASI, 2.25" whiskey compass, Becker radio and  transponder (both have 2.25" faces and 2, 7/16" square chassis), a Tiny Tach, a  Hobbs, PSE 501 intercom, Ameriking ELT, and an EXP Buss 2V tray system power  panel. That has to leave room for a single throttle, carb heat, cabin heat, and  flap switch. The GPS and fuel selector will be on the console. I hope to still  have room in the panel's corners for the eyeball vents. So far that looks  likley.

  

 The moral? Don't buy a glove box kit until you are  sure you have room for one. Ours is a rather small panel and it fills up  quickly.

  

 Ed

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601zv(at)ritternet.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 11:49 am Post subject: odd and ends

I've found carburetor cleaner in 99-cent spray can  to be very effective and the most convenient. If there are any drawbacks, what  might they be?

  

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Terry Phillips

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 346
Location: Corvallis, MT

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 11:49 am Post subject: odd and ends

John



I haven't started building yet, in fact, I'm awaiting delivery of my 601 

plans. However, consider the drawing 6-B-18 that is available on ZAC's 

website. It looks to me like there is a vacant space measuring about 15" 

long x 5" deep x ~5" wide located in the center console, above the joystick 

linkage. If, as appears from the drawing, this space is truly vacant, I 

would think that one could build in a storage compartment by putting in a 

bottom just above the joystick linkage, extending from the front to the 

rear of the console. Then hinge the cover (arm rest) at the rear and 

install a latch at the front to allow access to the compartment.



We have just such a compartment in our VW Golf, and it is really handy. It 

would, obviously, take a bit of design work for the cover and bottom, with 

special care to eliminate any sharp edges and/or crevices.



Has anyone used that space for storage?



Meanwhile, if you have space in your panel, Van's offers a map box kit:



http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1166902596-496-561&browse=airframe&product=mbox



that is sized to fit into the radio stack. It costs only $35.



Terry

At 07:48 AM 12/23/2006 -0800, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  hi list.

a few questions.



what is the best method in getting the sharpie marks

off surfaces in prep for painting



best way to seal (if necessary) the fuel connections

to the fuel selector.  tape or proseal



does anyone have plans or dementions or a good picture

of a glove box for the XL.



john butterfield

601XL corvair

torrance, CA


	


Terry Phillips

ttp44~~at~~rkymtn.net

Corvallis MT

Just starting a 601 kit

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Corvallis, MT
ttp44<at>rkymtn.net
Zenith 601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Tail feathers done; working on the wings.

dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject: odd and ends

Not sure, Robin. Carburetors aren't ever painted  after cleaning so small nonvolatile residues aren't critical there. A minute  film of residue could totally screw up a paint job. Not sure what's left over if  anything after crab cleaner. 

  

 As for the laquer thinner, there isn't any liver  cancer Hx in my family and we've been prepping trucks for body and paint work  using laquer thinner for many years. I've heard others on the list tell of how  lethal it is but with decent ventilation, I've seen no problems. I'm 53 and my  dad (the truckline operator) is 79. We've been out of the truckline business for  20+ years now but have contiued to use the stuff in hobby work. Use your own  best judgment. I'll tell you this much... laquer thinner will dissolve almost  everything except glass and stainless steel. 

  

 Ed

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:21 pm Post subject: odd and ends

I believe the elevator cables leave only about 1.5  - 2.0 inches vertically under that armrest. I've been working in that area  the past few days.

  

 Ed Moody II

 601XL

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p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:37 pm Post subject: odd and ends

Hi Terry,



One little problem with your idea for a storage compartment in the 

center console/arm rest.  You would have to decide how much you want 

to limit the stick travel before determining what size compartment to make.



If you put the box all the way to the stick linkage area then you 

would only be able to pitch the nose down but never up.



I still think the baggage compartment is fertile territory for map storage.



Paul

XL fuselage

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At 11:47 AM 12/23/2006, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  haven't started building yet, in fact, I'm awaiting delivery of my 

601 plans. However, consider the drawing 6-B-18 that is available on 

ZAC's website. It looks to me like there is a vacant space measuring 

about 15" long x 5" deep x ~5" wide located in the center console, 

above the joystick linkage. If, as appears from the drawing, this 

space is truly vacant, I would think that one could build in a 

storage compartment by putting in a bottom just above the joystick 

linkage, extending from the front to the rear of the console. Then 

hinge the cover (arm rest) at the rear and install a latch at the 

front to allow access to the compartment.


	


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craig(at)craigandjean.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject: odd and ends

Why the Tiny tach and Hobbs? Don't the AFS boxes provide  that?

  

 -- Craig

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601zv(at)ritternet.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject: odd and ends

I've thought of doing that, but to provide clearance for the upper elevator 

cable, it seems it would be less an one inch deep, so hardly worth the 

effort.



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Terry Phillips

Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 346
Location: Corvallis, MT

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:43 pm Post subject: odd and ends

Alas, the rudder cable did not appear on the 6-B-18 dwg from the website. I 

see that the cable does appear on the 6-B-23 Dwg. What a shame to waste 

that beautiful (almost) vacant space.



It looks like that between the cable and the aileron control tube there is 

not enough space left in the center console to worry about. Oh well.



About the only way I can see to utilize that space for storage would be to 

redirect the top rudder control cable under the storage area with pulleys. 

But that would eat into the storage space, complicate the control system, 

and increase drag on the rudder control (probably not a major issue, given 

the present asymmetry between the aileron and elevator control forces).



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Terry

At 02:54 PM 12/23/2006 -0600, you wrote:



[quote]I've thought of doing that, but to provide clearance for the upper 

elevator cable, it seems it would be less an one inch deep, so hardly 

worth the effort.



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Terry Phillips
Corvallis, MT
ttp44<at>rkymtn.net
Zenith 601XL/Jab 3300 slow build kit - Tail feathers done; working on the wings.

gfmjr_20(at)HOTMAIL.COM
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:31 pm Post subject: odd and ends

Another possible option that I used for a storage console was to leave the 

original design in tact but build an addition onto the top of the original 

cover.  I made mine about 2 inches deep and had it open along the passenger 

side. It doesn't quite fit maps but its good for just about everything else.

  I also used a Vans "glove box"  but with limited space on the panel I 

mounted it behind the passenger seat



George May

601XL 912s--30 hours



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Dave vs. Carl: The Insignificant Championship Series.  Who will win?

amyvega2005(at)earthlink.
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject: odd and ends

we use denatured alcohol.  takes it off just fine.



Juan



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dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:45 pm Post subject: odd and ends

First I should thank you for the confidence you  place in my ability to choose an EFIS/EIS that can never fail (my attempt at  aircraft construction humor). I believe that anyone who uses a glass panel as  primary instrumentation and does not give himself a few critical backups is  whistling past the graveyard. My opinion is that I need a whiskey compass if the  electrical system is shut down (my gps eats batteries like a dog eats bacon),  an ASI to fly a safe approach, a tach to manage the engine safely, and my  GPS can give me ALT if that's critical (if the electrical power is off, I'm  screwed on that one). The EIS does include an engine hour meter but the Hobbs is  a backup incase the memory in the unit gets fried. I know, I know, next you'll  ask if I wear a belt and suspenders (I only wear a belt.... I don't  care who gets mooned).

  

 Ed

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject: odd and ends

Terry, it's the upper elevator cable tha's in the  way. The rudder cables are farther down and would allow you some space if not  for the elevator cable. Make the armrest removable with platenuts anyway because  that is a good access for inspection and turnbuckle adjustment.

  

 Ed

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:59 pm Post subject: odd and ends

But you have *two* of the AF-3400- are you expecting both  to fail? And (correct me if I'm wrong) the Tiny Tach needs power. So if you  loose power you will have no RPM indication. As to the Hobbs - I presume you  will be logging your hours in your log book. So if both of your 3400's fail  you would enter the accumulated hours in the replacement(s).

  

 I'm all for back-up. I'm backing up my Stratomaster Enigma  with an ASI. But my GPS-296 will run for 11 hours on batteries if you turn the  backlight down.

  

 -- Craig

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:10 pm Post subject: odd and ends

Does the elecrtrical system have to fail to have  the EFIS fail on its own? The pair of 3400 units are interfaced with an ethernet  card so they offer backup to each other but the tiny tach can operate off the  battery if that's in good shape even if the AFS units are shut down. If you  think the Hobbs is too redundant I'm okay with that. I'll still install  it.

  

 Ed

  

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