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lcaune(at)cablelan.net
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I was talking to a local FBO guy who said that all the aircraft in
their fleet were having to remove the O2 bottle for refill rather
than having O2 fill-up carts come out to the aircraft. Is the
external O2 filler port being outlawed or is this just a local
problem? Has anyone heard bout this problem? Do not archive.
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rvreynolds(at)macs.net
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 4:21 am Post subject: Oxygen exterior fill port |
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A removable Q2 bottle provides a lot more options (cheaper) for
refilling .
On my RV-6A, I chose a Mountain High E&S carbon fiber 48 cu-ft O2
bottle (CFFC-048). Total weight filled with 2 stations was 10 lbs. It
lasts a very long time, which is good for x/c out west because you do
not have to refill at every stop. If you do not want the weight for
local flying, just remove the O2 bottle.
We plan to install the same system on the RV-10 with the O2 bottle
just behind the rear left pax seat where it is accessible for
removable and refilling.
Richard Reynolds
On Dec 24, 2006, at 1:10 AM, L Aune wrote:
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I was talking to a local FBO guy who said that all the aircraft in
their fleet were having to remove the O2 bottle for refill rather
than having O2 fill-up carts come out to the aircraft. Is the
external O2 filler port being outlawed or is this just a local
problem? Has anyone heard bout this problem? Do not archive.
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dmaib@me.com
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 455
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 4:35 am Post subject: Oxygen exterior fill port |
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Is your bottle plumbed into an O2 delivery system in the airplane or
do you just have long hoses from the bottle? If connected to a
plumbed in system, I would love to have some details and photos if
available.
David Maib
#40559
tailcone
On Dec 24, 2006, at 6:20 AM, Richard Reynolds wrote:
A removable Q2 bottle provides a lot more options (cheaper) for
refilling .
On my RV-6A, I chose a Mountain High E&S carbon fiber 48 cu-ft O2
bottle (CFFC-048). Total weight filled with 2 stations was 10 lbs. It
lasts a very long time, which is good for x/c out west because you do
not have to refill at every stop. If you do not want the weight for
local flying, just remove the O2 bottle.
We plan to install the same system on the RV-10 with the O2 bottle
just behind the rear left pax seat where it is accessible for
removable and refilling.
Richard Reynolds
On Dec 24, 2006, at 1:10 AM, L Aune wrote:
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I was talking to a local FBO guy who said that all the aircraft in
their fleet were having to remove the O2 bottle for refill rather
than having O2 fill-up carts come out to the aircraft. Is the
external O2 filler port being outlawed or is this just a local
problem? Has anyone heard bout this problem? Do not archive.
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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 7:32 am Post subject: Oxygen exterior fill port |
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Richard,
Out of curiosity, what are the estimated dimensions of that 48cuft bottle.
Not using your numbers for anything but thought. I was planning on putting
my bottle in the baggage area between the two seats, right on top of the
tunnel. Seems like a lot of areas to tie it down to. Also easier for the air
lines to go between the seats to all the occupants. Not planning on
permanent plumming in my undercomplex machine.
| Quote: | From: Richard Reynolds <rvreynolds(at)macs.net>
Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Oxygen exterior fill port
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 07:20:07 -0500
A removable Q2 bottle provides a lot more options (cheaper) for refilling
.
On my RV-6A, I chose a Mountain High E&S carbon fiber 48 cu-ft O2 bottle
(CFFC-048). Total weight filled with 2 stations was 10 lbs. It lasts a
very long time, which is good for x/c out west because you do not have to
refill at every stop. If you do not want the weight for local flying, just
remove the O2 bottle.
We plan to install the same system on the RV-10 with the O2 bottle just
behind the rear left pax seat where it is accessible for removable and
refilling.
Richard Reynolds
On Dec 24, 2006, at 1:10 AM, L Aune wrote:
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>I was talking to a local FBO guy who said that all the aircraft in their
>fleet were having to remove the O2 bottle for refill rather than having
>O2 fill-up carts come out to the aircraft. Is the external O2 filler
>port being outlawed or is this just a local problem? Has anyone heard
>bout this problem? Do not archive.
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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 7:48 am Post subject: Oxygen exterior fill port |
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John,
This recent O2 thread just got me contemplating the same location,
but then I realized this: Every time I've packed up the plane for
a cross-country flight with suitcases, We've had to slide the suitcases
into the baggage area, and the door doesn't have a lot of extra
height, nor the baggage compartment a lot of extra width....so
putting an O2 bottle right in the middle would drastically change
my useability of the baggage area.
Right now I have it in a padded case between the rear seats, which
works well. But, I think ideally it would be in the rear behind
the baggage wall. Unfortunately, doing that makes it only fillable
with a moveable fill station or a really long whip. So I'm kind of
torn on the ultimate solution right now. If you go behind the baggage
wall, I'd be inclined to say to make sure you have a huge bottle,
because you may have a much harder time getting it filled during
a trip. Some places though, may have a portable fill station.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John Gonzalez wrote:
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Richard,
Out of curiosity, what are the estimated dimensions of that 48cuft
bottle. Not using your numbers for anything but thought. I was
planning on putting my bottle in the baggage area between the two seats,
right on top of the tunnel. Seems like a lot of areas to tie it down to.
Also easier for the air lines to go between the seats to all the
occupants. Not planning on permanent plumming in my undercomplex machine.
> From: Richard Reynolds <rvreynolds(at)macs.net>
> Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Oxygen exterior fill port
> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 07:20:07 -0500
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> A removable Q2 bottle provides a lot more options (cheaper) for
> refilling .
>
> On my RV-6A, I chose a Mountain High E&S carbon fiber 48 cu-ft O2
> bottle (CFFC-048). Total weight filled with 2 stations was 10 lbs. It
> lasts a very long time, which is good for x/c out west because you do
> not have to refill at every stop. If you do not want the weight for
> local flying, just remove the O2 bottle.
>
> We plan to install the same system on the RV-10 with the O2 bottle
> just behind the rear left pax seat where it is accessible for
> removable and refilling.
>
> Richard Reynolds
>
> On Dec 24, 2006, at 1:10 AM, L Aune wrote:
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>> I was talking to a local FBO guy who said that all the aircraft in
>> their fleet were having to remove the O2 bottle for refill rather
>> than having O2 fill-up carts come out to the aircraft. Is the
>> external O2 filler port being outlawed or is this just a local
>> problem? Has anyone heard bout this problem? Do not archive.
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AV8ORJWC
Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:18 am Post subject: Oxygen exterior fill port |
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It must be local. The risk of removal can be greater than the refill at
the hands of an experienced O2 refiller.
On the other hand. Putting High Pressure into a low pressure (non
hydrostatically tested) tank can have unforeseen consequences.
John Cox
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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 11:11 am Post subject: Oxygen exterior fill port |
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I'm not positive, but I believe the reason they don't fill high bottles
in planes (or other vehicles!)is:
The possibility of explosion from overpressure.
The possibility of extra risk from leaking connections/ignition sources.
The additional risk to their insurance carriers.
I've never seen a water tank in the FBO (may have missed it!) but SCUBA
bottles are required to be filled in a water tank to try and lessen the
explosion damage and cool the bottles while they're being filled.
Linn
L Aune wrote:
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I was talking to a local FBO guy who said that all the aircraft in
their fleet were having to remove the O2 bottle for refill rather
than having O2 fill-up carts come out to the aircraft. Is the
external O2 filler port being outlawed or is this just a local
problem? Has anyone heard bout this problem? Do not archive.
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apilot2(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject: Oxygen exterior fill port |
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Many of your turbo-charged aircraft come with built-in tanks and a
fill port. I haven't looked at the fill port close enough to see if it
has a pressure gauge, but probably does. Any built-in system has to
be capable of your standard FBO 2000-2200psi max charge. Also, the IA
doing the annual on such a plane has to ensure the tank will be within
the time limits for a hydrostatic check for the next year, or remove
it and have it tested. Most turbocharged Mooneys came a Kevlar wrapped
tank that has a relatively short life span, something like 14-15
years, so many are being changed out now, and some opt to go to a
lower capacity aluminum tank with longer DOT lifespan to keep the wt.
the same.
On 12/24/06, linn Walters <pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:
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I'm not positive, but I believe the reason they don't fill high bottles
in planes (or other vehicles!)is:
The possibility of explosion from overpressure.
The possibility of extra risk from leaking connections/ignition sources.
The additional risk to their insurance carriers.
I've never seen a water tank in the FBO (may have missed it!) but SCUBA
bottles are required to be filled in a water tank to try and lessen the
explosion damage and cool the bottles while they're being filled.
Linn
L Aune wrote:
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> I was talking to a local FBO guy who said that all the aircraft in
> their fleet were having to remove the O2 bottle for refill rather
> than having O2 fill-up carts come out to the aircraft. Is the
> external O2 filler port being outlawed or is this just a local
> problem? Has anyone heard bout this problem? Do not archive.
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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:40 pm Post subject: Oxygen exterior fill port |
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You like me friend have women that you are travelling with. In my case I
only have two. I have thought about your ideas, but i still believe
removable bottle is a must. I have two for my glider but use only one at a
time. I might use one of these inside the RV. I think I will get the
refill bottles, set of three at a time and set up a delivery station via my
dental office address, but at home, so I can refill my own.
I think a thing to think about is the kind of bags you are using and what
clothes you are taking on a trip. I know of several people who send their
cloths ahead via UPS, kind of a pain in the rear???? If your wife likes
shopping, give her the ability to shop in stores that are for backpackers
and hikers. All clothes need to be light and collapsible and kept in bags
that are prepacked and stored in the closet just for travel in the RV.
On one of the Mike Arnold's AR5 tapes, he shows making an external storage
pod for beneath the right and left wings of an RV that bolt to the main
spar. There must always be a problem with space in our small planes.
JOhn G.
Do Not Archive.
| Quote: | From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>
Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Oxygen exterior fill port
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 09:48:00 -0600
John,
This recent O2 thread just got me contemplating the same location,
but then I realized this: Every time I've packed up the plane for
a cross-country flight with suitcases, We've had to slide the suitcases
into the baggage area, and the door doesn't have a lot of extra
height, nor the baggage compartment a lot of extra width....so
putting an O2 bottle right in the middle would drastically change
my useability of the baggage area.
Right now I have it in a padded case between the rear seats, which
works well. But, I think ideally it would be in the rear behind
the baggage wall. Unfortunately, doing that makes it only fillable
with a moveable fill station or a really long whip. So I'm kind of
torn on the ultimate solution right now. If you go behind the baggage
wall, I'd be inclined to say to make sure you have a huge bottle,
because you may have a much harder time getting it filled during
a trip. Some places though, may have a portable fill station.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
John Gonzalez wrote:
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>Richard,
>
>Out of curiosity, what are the estimated dimensions of that 48cuft bottle.
> Not using your numbers for anything but thought. I was planning on
>putting my bottle in the baggage area between the two seats, right on top
>of the tunnel. Seems like a lot of areas to tie it down to. Also easier
>for the air lines to go between the seats to all the occupants. Not
>planning on permanent plumming in my undercomplex machine.
>
>>From: Richard Reynolds <rvreynolds(at)macs.net>
>>Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Oxygen exterior fill port
>>Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 07:20:07 -0500
>>
>>
>>
>>A removable Q2 bottle provides a lot more options (cheaper) for
>>refilling .
>>
>>On my RV-6A, I chose a Mountain High E&S carbon fiber 48 cu-ft O2 bottle
>>(CFFC-048). Total weight filled with 2 stations was 10 lbs. It lasts a
>>very long time, which is good for x/c out west because you do not have
>>to refill at every stop. If you do not want the weight for local flying,
>>just remove the O2 bottle.
>>
>>We plan to install the same system on the RV-10 with the O2 bottle just
>>behind the rear left pax seat where it is accessible for removable and
>>refilling.
>>
>>Richard Reynolds
>>
>>On Dec 24, 2006, at 1:10 AM, L Aune wrote:
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>>>I was talking to a local FBO guy who said that all the aircraft in
>>>their fleet were having to remove the O2 bottle for refill rather than
>>>having O2 fill-up carts come out to the aircraft. Is the external O2
>>>filler port being outlawed or is this just a local problem? Has anyone
>>>heard bout this problem? Do not archive.
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wayne.e(at)grandecom.net
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:09 am Post subject: Oxygen exterior fill port |
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I have installed my Mountain High system bottle behind the baggage compartment mounted on the back of the wall with a remote fill extending into the baggage compartment through the wall. I got the idea from Randy D and I think it will work well for my needs. He has pictures posted on his web site at http://myrv10.com/N610RV/index.html
Also Russ Daves built a really nice system where he put the bottle just behind the rear seat in the baggae compartment and built a protective cover that went over the bottle. That way he didn't have to worry about banging it with baggage. He did a really nice job on it. I'm sure if you asked him he would forward you the pictures of it.
Both Russ's system and mine are four place systems. I will be installed the outlets in the rear somewhere in or near the arm rest area and in the front down near the knee area.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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jesse(at)itecusa.org
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:29 am Post subject: Oxygen exterior fill port |
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We have used the Sky-Ox portable 4-place tank and we lay it on the tunnel
cover between the rear seats and use it as an arm rest for the back seat.
You could easily install some straps on the tunnel cover(s) to hold it in
place. The padded carrying back helps to keep it from being an eyesore or
an elbowsore.
Jesse
| Quote: | I have installed my Mountain High system bottle behind the baggage
compartment mounted on the back of the wall with a remote fill extending
into the baggage compartment through the wall. I got the idea from Randy D
and I think it will work well for my needs. He has pictures posted on his
web site at http://myrv10.com/N610RV/index.html
Also Russ Daves built a really nice system where he put the bottle just
behind the rear seat in the baggae compartment and built a protective
cover that went over the bottle. That way he didn't have to worry about
banging it with baggage. He did a really nice job on it. I'm sure if you
asked him he would forward you the pictures of it.
Both Russ's system and mine are four place systems. I will be installed
the outlets in the rear somewhere in or near the arm rest area and in the
front down near the knee area.
Wayne Edgerton #40336
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I-TEC, Inc.
jesse(at)itecusa.org
www.itecusa.org
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dmaib@me.com
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 455
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida
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| Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 3:35 pm Post subject: Oxygen exterior fill port |
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Thanks Richard.
David Maib
#40559
tailcone
Do not archive
On Dec 25, 2006, at 3:16 PM, Richard Reynolds wrote:
The system I installed is a Mountain High E&S carbon fiber 48 cu-ft
O2 bottle (CFFC-048) with a EOS-6R/REG 1054 Regulator.
This provides 42.5 man-hours at 15,000 ft with an initial fill
pressure of 2200 psi. Carbon fiber bottles are rated at higher
pressures.
www.mhoxygen.com
The O2 bottle is 6.5 inches in diameter and 20.38 inches long. The
the valve, pressure gage and regulator add approximately 4 inches.
The system weigh (filled) is about 10 lbs.
Photo 1 shows the system installed in my RV-6A.
Photo 2 shows the straps and brackets mounted to the floor with AN3
bolts. An angle support with K1000-3 nut plates was installed before
mounting the floor.
Photo 3 shows the location in the RV-10. The centerline of the O2
bottle is 6 inches aft of the rear seat hinge. It is out of the way
of most baggage and accessible for removal and refilling.
Photo 4 shows the angle support with K1000-3 nut plates attached to
the outboard side of the right tunnel floor rib. The other angle
support is attached to the left side baggage floor rib.
The system will be plumbed with 6 mm (.25 in) tubing and connectors
supplied by Mountain High.
Richard Reynolds
See photo attached
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On Dec 24, 2006, at 7:30 AM, David Maib wrote:
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Is your bottle plumbed into an O2 delivery system in the airplane
or do you just have long hoses from the bottle? If connected to a
plumbed in system, I would love to have some details and photos if
available.
David Maib
#40559
tailcone
On Dec 24, 2006, at 6:20 AM, Richard Reynolds wrote:
<rvreynolds(at)macs.net>
A removable Q2 bottle provides a lot more options (cheaper) for
refilling .
On my RV-6A, I chose a Mountain High E&S carbon fiber 48 cu-ft O2
bottle (CFFC-048). Total weight filled with 2 stations was 10 lbs.
It lasts a very long time, which is good for x/c out west because
you do not have to refill at every stop. If you do not want the
weight for local flying, just remove the O2 bottle.
We plan to install the same system on the RV-10 with the O2 bottle
just behind the rear left pax seat where it is accessible for
removable and refilling.
Richard Reynolds
On Dec 24, 2006, at 1:10 AM, L Aune wrote:
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>
> I was talking to a local FBO guy who said that all the aircraft in
> their fleet were having to remove the O2 bottle for refill rather
> than having O2 fill-up carts come out to the aircraft. Is the
> external O2 filler port being outlawed or is this just a local
> problem? Has anyone heard bout this problem? Do not archive.
>
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Randy(at)abros.com
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:08 pm Post subject: Oxygen exterior fill port |
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I am unaware of any law in Oregon. Randy 40006
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