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capedavis(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:20 am Post subject: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

John, I see you live in Nevada perhaps there are glider schools near  you? If you cant find a 2 place Kolb I would recomend a Schwitzer 2-33 , the most comman glider trainer I learned to fly in one while I was building my KXP and had no problem transitioning to the Kolb from the 2-33, When I had an engine out later on there was no panic as the KXP flys beautiful with engine out .Just my 2 cents .Chris Davis



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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:56 am Post subject: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

I would think a Challenger would be good for transistion too...>>



Hi,

for what its worth I changed from a Tail wheel Thruster to a Trcycle wheeled 

Challenger without any problem . Apart from insufficient tension on the 

throttle which closed when I took my hand off it to apply the flaps/trim. 

The control for that was above and behind my right shoulder. This was 

disconcerting trying to make it back into a small field on my first flight. 

I did a go-round and managed it easily if not tidily next time round.  I 

always held off as if I was landing a tail dragger and she just sank on..

Changing from the Challenger to the  Xtra was a non event. I taxied around a 

bit to get used to the different `picture`  and did a few flights with an 

instructor and just did it. I think keeping the speed up was rather more 

important in the Xtra. The Challenger would just mush if the speed was low 

but the Xtra tends to just let go.

If you are coming from normal GA some 2 seat time is only good sense because 

the difference in inertia takes some getting used to. but from another 

ultralight, no sweat.



Cheers



Pat



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a58r(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

John,



This form of training, Crow Hopping, is great, IF you already have  

flying experience, It's not a good ida for the novice because all of  

a sudden he's 10' up, and can't figger out how to land!

regards,

Bob N.    FireFly 070 Old Kolb

http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/

APilot(at)webtv.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:26 am Post subject: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

Re:  High speed taxi..........they can be dangerous.  It is easier in a

tricycle gear airplane.  Kolbs are easy to fly for a tail dragger, but

they are still tail draggers and required caution.  Some practice on a

flight simulator might help.  I like the J-3 Cub on Microsoft's FS 2004

simulator.

jindoguy(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:47 am Post subject: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

John, In a tricycle gear airplane high speed taxiing is no big deal. In a tail dragger, even one as nicely mannered as a Kolb, welllllllllll, hmmmm. I'm not an expert by any stretch, but I'd go with the nays. The reason is pretty simple. While the tires are still touching the ground a taildragger is unstable because the CG is behind the main gear. Cross winds and ham handed control inputs can put you out of control too quickly to recover. Once those tires leave the ground stability returns and you are much safer. 



Rick



On 1/11/07, John H Murphy <jhm9812(at)yahoo.com (jhm9812(at)yahoo.com)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		   --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John H Murphy" <jhm9812(at)yahoo.com (jhm9812(at)yahoo.com)>



I've had several people e-mail with the suggestion of doing high speed taxi runs on a long runway. The idea is to get up off the deck a couple of feet and bring her down. After enough practice of these enough high speed runs..take off. Any comments on this? 



	


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Rick Girard

"Ya'll drop on in"

takes on a whole new meaning

when you live at the airport.  [quote][b]

pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

high speed taxi runs on a long runway. . Any comments on this?>>



Yeah! Dont do it.



Taxi around until you are familiar with rudder, brakes and throttle.  Then, 

get just fast enough to just raise the tail and give youself some rudder 

control. Only try it if the wind is dead ahead.  If you take off get away 

from the ground as quickly as possible and then only if you know how to fly.



If you can fly, go for it and get some height. Its the ground thats hard, 

not the air.   If you can`t fly, stay away from the plane until someone 

checks you out.

I know you can do it all your own but most of the pilots who have taught 

themselves to fly, and there are some on this list, do not recommend it.



Cheers



Pat



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WillUribe(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:06 am Post subject: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

John,

 I have 300 hours on my FireStar II and I wouldn't do it, too scary for  me.

  

 Regards,

 Will Uribe

 FireStar II N4GU

 El Paso, TX but working in Sonora, Mexico

 http://home.elp.rr.com/airplane/

  

  

 --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John H Murphy" <jhm9812(at)yahoo.com (jhm9812(at)yahoo.com)>

  

 I've had several people e-mail with the suggestion of doing high speed taxi  runs on a long runway. The idea is to get up off the deck a couple of feet and  bring her down. After enough practice of these enough high speed runs..take off.  Any comments on this?

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kkcmax(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:43 pm Post subject: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

thats how you wreck a good plane its the worst part of tacking off and 

landing at high speed near ground in normal opp. you speed up /slow down 

very quickley with high speed taxis you are at risk to have some thing go 

wrong at a fast speed for much longer get instruction in a light tail 

dragger piper taylorcraft kolb drifter ect. it will save you money and plane 

repairs from stalls ground loops ect airplanes are not toys they can and 

haved killed and in a kolb you can be 100 feet off the ground before you 

know you left

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		  From: "John H Murphy" <jhm9812(at)yahoo.com>

Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:13:06 -0800






I've had several people e-mail with the suggestion of doing high speed taxi 

runs on a long runway. The idea is to get up off the deck a couple of feet 

and bring her down. After enough practice of these enough high speed 

runs..take off. Any comments on this?





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Ed in JXN

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
Posts: 122

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

Hi Keith,



        That's one looong damn sentence.  Are your caps and punctuation keys 

all broke?  ;^)



Ed in JXN

Do not archive.





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kkcmax(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:28 am Post subject: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

I did not know this was enlish class thanks and get a life

[quote]From: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>

Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

To: <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: Re: Re: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 02:15:23 -0500






Hi Keith,



        That's one looong damn sentence.  Are your caps and punctuation 

keys all broke?  ;^)



Ed in JXN

Do not archive.





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jindoguy(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

Keith, No need to get upset. What Ed was pointing out is that your posts are virtually unreadable, and as such do not impart the information you wish to offer. 'Part of life is the need to communicate easily and accurately. 

As I told my ex wife, if words and phrases have multiple and contradictory meanings, I choose interpretation 49, "Please go get your pistol and blow my F****** brains out." As you can probably see, my communications skills weren't too good either, then. I really think they're much better now. 



Rick



On 1/13/07, Keith Callfas <kkcmax(at)msn.com (kkcmax(at)msn.com)> wrote:[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Keith Callfas" <kkcmax(at)msn.com (kkcmax(at)msn.com)>



I did not know this was enlish class thanks and get a life

[quote]From: "Ed Chmielewski" < edchmiel(at)mindspring.com (edchmiel(at)mindspring.com)>

Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)

To: <kolb-list(at)matronics.com  (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)>

Subject: Re: Re: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 02:15:23 -0500



--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" < edchmiel(at)mindspring.com (edchmiel(at)mindspring.com)>



Hi Keith,



        That's one looong damn sentence.  Are your caps and punctuation

keys all broke?  ;^)



Ed in JXN

Do not archive. 





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jindoguy(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:00 am Post subject: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

Keith, No need to get upset. What Ed was pointing out is that your posts are virtually unreadable, and as such do not impart the information you wish to offer. 'Part of life is the need to communicate easily and accurately. 

As I told my ex wife, if words and phrases have multiple and contradictory meanings, I choose interpretation 49, "Please go get your pistol and blow my F****** brains out." As you can probably see, my communications skills weren't too good either, then. I really think they're much better now. 



Rick



On 1/13/07, Keith Callfas <kkcmax(at)msn.com (kkcmax(at)msn.com)> wrote:[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Keith Callfas" <kkcmax(at)msn.com (kkcmax(at)msn.com)>



I did not know this was enlish class thanks and get a life

[quote]From: "Ed Chmielewski" < edchmiel(at)mindspring.com (edchmiel(at)mindspring.com)>

Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)

To: <kolb-list(at)matronics.com  (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)>

Subject: Re: Re: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 02:15:23 -0500



--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ed Chmielewski" < edchmiel(at)mindspring.com (edchmiel(at)mindspring.com)>



Hi Keith,



        That's one looong damn sentence.  Are your caps and punctuation

keys all broke?  ;^)



Ed in JXN

Do not archive. 





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kkcmax(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:43 am Post subject: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

youpepole are like a bunch of old women this is about airplanes nothing else 

there is probley a place on line were your crtiques may be welcome but not 

by me thanks you doint have to read my posts if they errateeed you

[quote]From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>

Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:53:23 -0600



Keith, No need to get upset. What Ed was pointing out is that your posts 

are

virtually unreadable, and as such do not impart the information you wish to

offer. 'Part of life is the need to communicate easily and accurately.

As I told my ex wife, if words and phrases have multiple and contradictory

meanings, I choose interpretation 49, "Please go get your pistol and blow 

my

F****** brains out." As you can probably see, my communications skills

weren't too good either, then. I really think they're much better now.



Rick



On 1/13/07, Keith Callfas <kkcmax(at)msn.com> wrote:

>

>

>

>I did not know this was enlish class thanks and get a life

> >From: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>

> >Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

> >To: <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>

> >Subject: Re: Re: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

> >Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 02:15:23 -0500

> >

> >

>edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>

> >

> >Hi Keith,

> >

> >        That's one looong damn sentence.  Are your caps and punctuation

> >keys all broke?  ;^)

> >

> >Ed in JXN

> >Do not archive.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >---

kkcmax(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:58 am Post subject: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

I haved unsubscribed to your old lady chat club thanks for saving me time 

reading your non aviation related posts

[quote]From: "Keith Callfas" <kkcmax(at)msn.com>

Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:43:08 -0600






youpepole are like a bunch of old women this is about airplanes nothing 

else there is probley a place on line were your crtiques may be welcome but 

not by me thanks you doint have to read my posts if they errateeed you

>From: "Richard Girard" <jindoguy(at)gmail.com>

>Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

>To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

>Subject: Re: Re: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

>Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:53:23 -0600

>

>Keith, No need to get upset. What Ed was pointing out is that your posts 

>are

>virtually unreadable, and as such do not impart the information you wish 

>to

>offer. 'Part of life is the need to communicate easily and accurately.

>As I told my ex wife, if words and phrases have multiple and contradictory

>meanings, I choose interpretation 49, "Please go get your pistol and blow 

>my

>F****** brains out." As you can probably see, my communications skills

>weren't too good either, then. I really think they're much better now.

>

>Rick

>

>On 1/13/07, Keith Callfas <kkcmax(at)msn.com> wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>I did not know this was enlish class thanks and get a life

>>

>>

>> >From: "Ed Chmielewski" <edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>

>> >Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

>> >To: <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>

>> >Subject: Re: Re: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

>> >Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 02:15:23 -0500

>> >

>> >

>>edchmiel(at)mindspring.com>

>> >

>> >Hi Keith,

>> >

>> >        That's one looong damn sentence.  Are your caps and punctuation

>> >keys all broke?  ;^)

>> >

>> >Ed in JXN

>> >Do not archive.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >---

Michael Sharp

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 118
Location: Oak Grove, MO (Kansas City)

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:10 pm Post subject: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

Another Satisfied customer!!!



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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

Shucks, if only we were iliterate - illuterate - ilutarate -

if only we didn't know how to rite gud 2 lik hem, he'd still be here...



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

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Kingsport, TN 3TN0

Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.

biglar

Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 457

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:31 pm Post subject: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

Adios, M.F.   We enjoyed you about as much.                  Do not Archive.



Larry Bourne

Santa Fe, NM

www.gogittum.com



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planecrazzzy
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

   Well said Big Lar...



Gotta Fly...

Mike in MN

jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

Kolbers,



Most days, I really like this list.



Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN



At 03:22 PM 1/13/07 -0500, you wrote:

[quote]



Shucks, if only we were iliterate - illuterate - ilutarate -

if only we didn't know how to rite gud 2 lik hem, he'd still be here...



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

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a58r(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: Transition aircraft -> to Kolb Firestar

Ever onct inna while the great Big Juke Box of Life rejects a Slug.

regards,

Bob N.    FireFly 070 Old Kolb

http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/



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