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panamared5(at)brier.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:13 am Post subject: Now you know why this is such a bad thing

As the President of a local EAA Chapter that has also hosted fly-ins, I am 

interested in knowing why the EAA was sued.  On what grounds?  Why do I 

want to know this?  Because when Mr  Don Corbitt comes to my fly-in, I am 

going to have figure out how to keep him from intentionally killing 

himself, so that my chapter and I do not get personally sued for his 

incompetence.



What did the airshow do wrong? How could they have done it better?  What 

are they being punished for?  If our legal system can not answer that to 

the Great American Public, then all this lawsuit was about, was the legal 

transfer of funds from the EAA to the pilots family.



The lawsuit is over, it has been in the papers etc.  So I ask again, why is 

the critical information concerning this law suit still be held "TOP SECRET".



Now I am being told to be patient.  I have been waiting for almost 7 

years!!!  Do I have a fly-in this year or will I wait a few more years?



For those who seem to be so impressed with our legal system and are feeling 

bad because the EAA actions killed Don Corbitt, then why don't you host an 

EAA fly-in, put yourself, your family and friends and your EAA chapter at 

great financial risk while not even knowing how to control or mitigate the 

risks (because the legal system won't tell you until you are sued).



This lawsuit did not just punish the Arlington Fly-in, but it also punishes 

all other fly-ins, when they are canceled due to a lack of critical 

information on how to avoid a lawsuit when Mr Don Corbitt commits suicide 

at the fly-in.



I am not taking sides on this lawsuit one way or the other.  But, I am wise 

enough to try and learn from the mistakes of others.  We will never know 

what mistake Mr Don Corbitt made, but we sure should be able to find out 

what mistakes the EAA made, and why the jury held the EAA liable for his 

death!!



Now you know why this is such a bad thing!



Bob

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cjensen(at)dts9000.com
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:42 am Post subject: Now you know why this is such a bad thing

Bob,



This seems like a fair set of questions to pose to the EAA, NWEAA, as

appropriate.  They should be attuned to 1) what deficiency on their part

was alleged, 2) what they can do differently (besides never holding a

fly-in again) and, 3) sage advice from their legal counsel.  They should

be willing to share this information and their thoughts, given that they

are a service organization whose mission is to improve, expand and

protect aviation in general, and experimental aviation specifically.



Chuck Jensen

 

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Bob Collins

Joined: 11 Mar 2006
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Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:56 am Post subject: Re: Now you know why this is such a bad thing

The lawsuit is a matter of public record. We just have to organize a bit to get ahold of the documents in the case to be able to answer the questions posed. 



I've had a couple of lawyers (RVers and members of the list) offer to help me in this and I intend to take them up on their offer). It's also a matter of $$ to pay for obtaining the documents.



BTW, the title of this thread further exaccerbates what one might -- rightly or wrongly -- conclude  was an attempt to obscure the original point which was -- to repeat myself AGAIN -- "why is waiting to get the information before judging the case a bad thing?"



I'm not sure what the motive behind that such a thing would be.



But *I* intend to get the fact before *I* decide what *I* think about the case.  What you do is up to you.



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Bob Collins

Joined: 11 Mar 2006
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Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:03 am Post subject: Re: Now you know why this is such a bad thing

 	  cjensen(at)dts9000.com wrote: 	
		  

This seems like a fair set of questions to pose to the EAA, NWEAA, as

appropriate.  They should be attuned to 1) what deficiency on their part

was alleged, 2) what they can do differently (besides never holding a

fly-in again) and, 3) sage advice from their legal counsel.  	




All of these are answered in the court documents.

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Terry Watson

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:21 am Post subject: Now you know why this is such a bad thing

Did anyone anywhere anytime ever say "... the EAA actions killed Don

Corbitt"? The whole argument seems to be over why a jury saw fit to award a

large judgment to his family.  We don't yet know what argument convinced the

jury that someone other than Don's estate should pay. And don't worry, this

particular Mr. Don Corbitt will never be coming to your fly-in.



I agree with your frustration and indignation, but we seem to be having a

real hard time keeping the facts separate from the straw-man arguments that

we appear to all agree on.



It could conceivably have some bearing on this case that the Seattle Times

has recently done a lengthy series on a large number of improperly sealed

court cases, but this verdict came in after the courts decided to mend their

ways and be less secretive.



Terry

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jpleasants(at)bellsouth.n
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:53 pm Post subject: Now you know why this is such a bad thing

Respectfully, gang, could you not move this whole thread to a "I hate

lawsuits" forum somewhere else, so we could have our

RV-construction-operation forum back?



Jim Pleasants



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Bob Collins

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Location: St. Paul, Minnesota

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Now you know why this is such a bad thing

One of the things you're going to find, with Matte's creation of the Web-based interface to conduct the RV-List, is that it will -- for obvious reasons -- become the default interface over e-mail, in that people -- as on VAF, can pick and choose what topics to read.



And because doesn't have to worry about...



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It would be interesting to see the breakdown of who's browsing via the Web and who's doing it by e-mail.



And for those folks who want to talk RVs, go here and tell me how to solve the mystery at the end.

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jhstarn(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject: Now you know why this is such a bad thing

Jim Irvine, owner of Aircraft Spruce. Didn't talk to either the lawyers nor 

his insurance Rep.

KABONG Do Not Archive HRII N561FS



 {Part of my difficulty in getting a handle on this is figuring out what's 

first-             hand information and what's not, so that I can figure out 

who I need to talk to. When you say it was your "understanding," where did 

that information come from?}



 	  Quote: 	
		  > We, the EAA Chapter, hosted the start of the Copperstate Race for several

> years. Aircraft Spruce not longer sponsors it and we understand that it 

> was

> the insurance companies & lawyers that convinced Jim that his "exposure" 

> was

> too great.

 Part of my difficulty in getting a handle on this is figuring out what's 

 first-hand information and what's not, so that I can figure out who I need 

 to talk to. Whenyou say it was your "understanding," where did that 

 information come from?



 Thanks in advance.



 B



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jhstarn(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject: Now you know why this is such a bad thing

Opp's...not sure if I fat fingered the keys, brain cramp or spell check  BUT 

Jim's last name is Irwin not irvine.  Sorry,  Do Not Archive.   KABONG

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