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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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 Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:32 am Post subject: On the way to the Fly-In |
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Hey Pat,
It would be nice if you dropped by and said 'Hi" on your way to the
Fly-In. Like I said, I live in the southwest corner of Utah, really close
to Zion (with a Z) & Bryce National Parks. From Las Vegas, you have to
drive through St. George, anyway, to get to where you're headed.
To the rest of the Kolbers intending on being at the Monument Valley
Fly-In....is there a "staff"
that oversees some of the safety issues?? I ask this, because I was a
member of a light plane/ultralight organization, and we had many local
fly-ins. We also had some near disasters!!!!
Example: at one particular location (we even asked the local newspaper to
attend...for good PR)
we had TWO (!!!!) airplanes try to take off at the exact same time (on
crossing runways). One airplane lifted off, the other had to yank a hard
right into the grass, almost tipping over. Man, I'm telling ya', this was
really close to two airplanes driving into each other. And one of them was
an instructor WITH a student pilot.
I said all that to say this: There absolutely HAS to be some order to a
fly-in, otherwise it will indeed be "disorganized" and people can very
easily be hurt. It was after a couple of incidents like this that we (our
club) formulated "RULES" of safely. We had a designated Safety Officer
responsible for who came and went, and only when he said it was okay to do
so. This type of approach to safety, without a doubt, improved everyones
well-being, gave peace of mind, and helped put our fly-ins in the
"Organized" catagory.
To give you an idea of the kind of rules we came up with, here are a
couple:
1) Upon arriving at the airfield, you have to adhere to the previously
established traffic pattern.
2) Once you've landed, you will NOT start your engine and taxi unless the
Safety Officer says you can.
3) If you take off during the Fly-In, the Safety Officer must know your
intensions. Like; are you leaving to go home, do some pleasure flying,
pattern work, etc. This let others know what you're up to.
We had a couple of other rules, but you get the idea. I have been
(flown my Cessna 172) to many airshows. At "Golden State Airshow" at
Merced, CA, there were at least 10 (!!!) airplanes in the pattern at any
given time. Yet, it was very well organized and quite safe.
If I were given the choice of "flying versus driving" to a Fly-In, I'd
rather drive.....if there are NO RULES. But that just me..... : )
Mike in Utah
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John Williamson
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 146
Location: Arlington, TX
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:47 am Post subject: Re: On the way to the Fly-In |
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Mike and All,
The 5th Annual Monument Valley Kolb Gathering has no staff, we don't want no staff and don't need no staff.
Everyone that shows up at Goulding's is responsible for everthing they do or want to do.
We have lots of rules.... They are called the FAR's. Everyone has to fly by them. When you do you stay safe. Goulding's is a Private Airport so their rules apply also.
I can imagine that if anyone tried to be in charge, they would be run off by the the rest of the laid back Kolber's.
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mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:57 am Post subject: On the way to the Fly-In |
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John,
No one said a damn thing about "taking charge". And if that's what you got
out of my question, then you weren't listening. Mike in Utah
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Subject: Re: On the way to the Fly-In
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 08:47:08 -0800
<kolbrapilot1(at)comcast.net>
Mike and All,
The 5th Annual Monument Valley Kolb Gathering has no staff, we don't want
no staff and don't need no staff.
Everyone that shows up at Goulding's is responsible for everthing they do
or want to do.
We have lots of rules.... They are called the FAR's. Everyone has to fly by
them. When you do you stay safe. Goulding's is a Private Airport so their
rules apply also.
I can imagine that if anyone tried to be in charge, they would be run off
by the the rest of the laid back Kolber's.
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John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.comcast.net/~kolbrapilot1
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John Hauck
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:17 am Post subject: On the way to the Fly-In |
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| The 5th Annual Monument Valley Kolb Gathering has no staff, we
don't want no staff and don't need no staff.
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John W:
Thanks, John W!
Folks attending our little flyin are pretty much self-policing. We
fly by the FAR's, Gouldings policies, and our own judgement, as mature
pilots. Some of us are pushing the overly "mature" bracket. 
Us Kolbers are sort of like a big family. We invite newcomers, but we
do not readily invite change, especially for the sake of change.
Spent too much time in the Army to put up with that stuff now.
If you are driving in, really doesn't make much difference how us
pilots that fly in from all over CONUS conduct our flyin. Remember,
it is a flyin, not a drivein. However, everyone is welcome to attend.
Take care,
john h
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: On the way to the Fly-In |
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It would be nice if you dropped by and said 'Hi">>
Hi Mike,
let me have an address and a contact number and we might do that. We are
travelling on a fairly flexible timetable (or date table come to that) so no
promises but I guarantee not to turn up with no notice. Thanks very much
for the invitation.
Regarding the rest of your post as far as I can gather there are no rules,
at least I hope not. Gouldings is a private strip and their rules plus the
usual aviation rules are all I expect. Of course I shall be driving so this
is not really applicable to me but that is the way I gather things operate.
What flying I have done has all been in gliders and ultralights and mostly
non radio. Thats the way I like it. Keep your eyes outside the cockpit and
use your common sense. You ain`t flying in to O`Hare.
I got gently rowelled by John for using `disorganised` rather than
`unorganised`. Mea culpa!
Cheers
Pat
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lcottrell
Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 1494
Location: Jordan Valley, Or
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: On the way to the Fly-In |
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Mike,
If it were to be regulated and have all the rules that you mention, we
would then have to have insurance, permission, and most of us would not be
interested in attending. We like to think that we as Kolb Pilots and even
"wanna be's" are not the "hey watch this" type, and if we run into one,
somehow there is a general tendency to bring him around. We like the list to
be a friendly place to share knowledge. It of course is not always that way,
and a lot of us belly ache and bitch until it returns that way. Most of us
are "old farts", that really hate anything organized as they are generally
structured towards people that do not have the common sense to behave
themselves and not bring unwanted attention to the sport. The cost and
requirements to make this an organized event is not within our ability. So
don't get too sensitive about it. It is nothing personal.
Larry, Oregon
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