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rlalonde
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:11 pm Post subject: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
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Hi Gang
The HD and HDS are still very good options for some builders. I think the HD
especially.
I was wondering if there was still builder support for these models? Can you
still purchase pre-made parts from ZAC?? Plan updates etc?
Seems that most builders are building the XL.
Ron
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jeffrey_davidson(at)earth Guest
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:30 pm Post subject: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
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Golly I sure hope so 'cause I'm still building mine! Seriously, ZAC
continues to provide whatever support I need, as well as this list.
Jeff D.
Building a 601HD from partial kits since 1994, but coming to an end soon!
(if there ever is an end to the building)
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Gig Giacona
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 1416 Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
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I understand the the parts are still being made and sold but I'd doubt there are going to be many more updates to the plans.
I'm curious why you'd want the HD or HDS over the XL though?
rlalonde wrote: | Hi Gang
The HD and HDS are still very good options for some builders. I think the HD
especially.
I was wondering if there was still builder support for these models? Can you
still purchase pre-made parts from ZAC?? Plan updates etc?
Seems that most builders are building the XL.
Ron
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:02 pm Post subject: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
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Ron and Listers,
I have been operating my 601HD ( Rotax 912UL - 80 HP ) for ten years and
have had no problem with support for it from ZAC, except that the "old"
exhaust system has finally come to the point that when I can't keep it in
servicable condition I will have to buy the new single outlet type which
will require modifying the cowling. I do have two complete exhaust systems
( the old type ) which I can swap out.
In fact, after talking with Roger yesterday, I ordered a set of the new
"heavy duty" main landing gear legs because I have the "old" lightweight (
1/8" thick plates - four attach bolts ). I have had no problem except badly
deteriorated Bungees which I've replaced. But I think it is a good idea to
update.
I believe you can get just about any part you need for a HD or HDS.
do not archive
Jim Hoak 601HD - 912UL - 538 hours - 744 landings
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zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca Guest
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
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Support is, and seldom ever was a problem, you can start on a new HD and
be pretty much assured that you will have knowledgeable people around to
help you out. Now the HD and HDS have not benefited from updates like
the XL has. THE photo walkthrough and plans updates are far better then
the older series of plane. The XL is actually easier to build and in
almost all respects it does fly better. I can understand going with a HD
if you need to register the plane at 1056lbs but if you are registering
at 1232lbs or better then the XL is truly the way to go.
This is a personal choice of which plane to build, But I would suggest
that you ask the list for reasons to build the 601HD over the 601XL.
There are not many reasons.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
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rlalonde
Joined: 20 Nov 2006 Posts: 43
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
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Hi Gig
Presently building an XL., but was just looking at the plan I also have for
the HD.
The HD can use a smaller powerplant, and that interests me.
This XL project is my sons choice, ....personally....I like the 701 best of
all.
Ron
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:39:48 -0800
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>I understand the the parts are still being made and sold but I'd doubt
>there are going to be many more updates to the plans.
I'm curious why you'd want the HD or HDS over the XL though?
rlalonde wrote:
> Hi Gang
> The HD and HDS are still very good options for some builders. I think
the HD
> especially.
> I was wondering if there was still builder support for these models? Can
you
> still purchase pre-made parts from ZAC?? Plan updates etc?
> Seems that most builders are building the XL.
> Ron
>
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601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
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This is a personal choice of which plane to build, But I would suggest
that you ask the list for reasons to build the 601HD over the 601XL.
There are not many reasons.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
Mark is certainly right about that. It is a personal choice. Some of the
major differences are the gear, the wing, the flaps (or lack thereof), the
firewall, and the canopy. My HD sports the XL front hinged canopy, the
beefed up XL firewall, and center console (Check style actually). Both well
built HDs and XLs should meet LSA criteria if that is a concern. Building
the HD gear boxes has been written about in great volume, but when I got to
doing them, installing the bungees, and all else, it wasn't a real
challenge. I think being forewarned by this list made it easy in actual
fact. Like putting the rubber bushings on the Jabiru engine mount, it is
all in knowing the little tricks that get it done in a few minutes.
Jeff Davidson
601 HD/Jabiru 3300A/Dynon panel/wiring it up!
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
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Hi Ron,
The HD and HDS are still very good airplanes and will be around for a
long time to come but
most are building the XL because it's a latest development, has a
thinner wing that gets better airspeed
with the same horsepower. If your purpose is to have baggage capacity
in the wings and meeting
special aircraft standards or you scratch build, it's even more up to
you what you want.
The XL is a best decision if you need to be dependent on kit parts
availability, but I don't
imagine they will toss their jigs and parts-making tooling out for
previous models because
the main line is XL. I'd bet they'd make rather than stock older parts
for HD and HDS.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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Ron Lalonde wrote:
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Hi Gang
The HD and HDS are still very good options for some builders. I think
the HD especially.
I was wondering if there was still builder support for these models?
Can you still purchase pre-made parts from ZAC?? Plan updates etc?
Seems that most builders are building the XL.
Ron
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:47 pm Post subject: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
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Actually the XL may be the worse choice in terms of future parts
availability. That is because the XL is still evolving. I can't order many
parts for my vintage 2000 XL kit from Zenith because the plans have changes.
The instrument panel has moved, the bulkheads have changed shape, etc. That
is why lately I've been acting more like a scratch builder than a kit
builder.
-- Craig
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:53 am Post subject: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
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Ron-
The HD/HDS design has three major advantages, all related to the size of
the wings.
1. You can get by with a smaller workspace.
2. If you're scratchbuilding, you don't have to buy so many 12' sheets
of stock.
3. 8' brakes are hard enough to come by, 12' even harder.
Both XL and HDS prints/manuals have serious problems in my estimation,
but "Shooting out prints" and "Writing work instructions" is what I do for a
living. You have to balance personal expectations. Listers who have the same
job responsibilites as I do can't believe how sloppy the prints and
instructions are. On the other hand, how do Zenith instructions stack up to
the competition? I don't know- the HDS is the only plane I've attempted to
build.
Zenith has never failed to be able to supply a replacement part for my
HDS, and for that I'm grateful. Two cautions:
1. The Zenith website parts list is out of date. Prepare to receive a
quote and pay more than is listed.
2. Make absolutely sure the part number you order is what you need.
Bottom line is, CH never had a bad design. Execution is a different
story.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:54 am Post subject: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
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Hello Craig : Can you tell me how far and which way the panel moved on the
601XL ?
My kit is of 2001vintage and I am going to instal a new panel which will
have a better layout .
I was unable to find the update showing the change .
Any help would be appreciated .
Cheers
Rick Tedford
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Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:37 am Post subject: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
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It looks like I am wrong. The instrument panel has not moved. 6B14 dated
04/01 and 03/05 show 475 from the base of the instrument panel 6B12-4 to the
firewall. But the dimensions of the forward top skin have changed. On 6C1
dated 10/06 6C1-4 is 570 by 1135. But the 05/01 plans show it as 600 by
1300. But the shorter dimension controls the firewall overhang and is
trimmed to fit the cowl.
6B15 does show that the position of the most forward vertical stiffing L
angle has moved by 45mm. The sheet dated 04/01 shows the stiffener 400 back
from the firewall. The sheet dated 07/05 shows 355.
Having three sets of plans makes for endless reading fun.
-- Craig
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rlalonde
Joined: 20 Nov 2006 Posts: 43
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: Builder support for the 601HD or HDS |
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Yes, and if you try and match an earlier stab to a later model XL fuselage
that presents a few glitches. (Which as I am lead to believe can be
overcome!!)
Ron
Quote: | Actually the XL may be the worse choice in terms of future parts
availability. That is because the XL is still evolving. I can't order many
parts for my vintage 2000 XL kit from Zenith because the plans have
changes.
The instrument panel has moved, the bulkheads have changed shape, etc. That
is why lately I've been acting more like a scratch builder than a kit
builder.
-- Craig
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