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JAPhillipsGA(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:52 pm Post subject: Rivet Gun

This is getting to be another "Scotchbrite" thread. One would think that a fine group of brilliant and distinguished gentleman such as ourselves, would have another topic that really needs the hell beat out of it ? Bill of Georgia

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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:12 pm Post subject: Rivet Gun

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dredmoody(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: Rivet Gun

Rookie question here Bill. Where can I buy a ball mill?

  

 Dred

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n4546v(at)mindspring.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:17 pm Post subject: Rivet Gun

From the archives:

  

 The Dremel works fine and fast, use a small green round ball  (silicon

carbide) or any other stone that has a point or round end, Put the  riviet

gun head in the lathe chuck and while spinning it, fire off the  moto-tool,

hold it with both hands braced against whatever is nearby, and  shape the end

in a nice conical shape, starting from the hole in the center  and working

outward, keep the cone shallow, you can always go deeper.   No gottem lathe?

Sure you do, put your fastest turning pistol grip drill  motor in your

workbench vise, usually upside down with pistol grip up, (up is  towards the

sky for you airplane builders!) tighten vise enough to hold drill  case, not

crushing it where the armature will never turn again!  Place  the rivet head

in the drill chuck and lock the trigger back and grind  away.  Takes longer

to describe than to do, finish with emery cloth if  your stones grind course.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Randy L. Thwing,  701/plans

  

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     John-

         I used a ball mill in my drill press to cut the      majority of the concave recess, then touched it up with a Dremel. Chuck a      rivet and insert it in the nosepiece hole to line things up, then clamp in      your vise. Took me maybe 15 minutes to do the whole set.

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     Bill Naumuk

HDS Fuselage

Townville,  Pa



	
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n4546v(at)mindspring.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: Rivet Gun

At any supply house for machine shop tooling. Bill, what diameter mill did  you use for each size?  Accomplishing the job solely with the Dremel works  fine as per previous instructions.  For ALL machine shop needs go  here:

  

 www.mscdirect.com

  

 Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas  do not archive

  

  

  

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n4546v(at)mindspring.com
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Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:33 pm Post subject: Rivet Gun

A small point Bill:

     Some noses are hardened, did you have to anneal the nose  prior to using the end mill?  If one tries to use a end mill on a hardened  nose, you could easily ruin your new end mill.  If you go this route, try  filing a non critical area of the nose with the corner of a file.  If a  file skates on the surface, it is hardened.  If the file cuts a groove, it  is not.  If your file won't cut it, your HSS end mill won't cut it.   Now a very spendy SOLID tungsten carbide end mill will cut hardened steel, but  is not worth the cost for this job.  Dremel grinding stones (abrasives)  don't care if the steel is hard or not.

  

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 Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas   do not archive

  

  

  

 John-

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		           I used a ball mill in my drill press to cut the      majority of the concave recess, then touched it up with a Dremel. Chuck a      rivet and insert it in the nosepiece hole to line things up, then clamp in      your vise. Took me maybe 15 minutes to do the whole set.

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     Bill Naumuk

HDS Fuselage

Townville,  Pa

	
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Jaybannist(at)cs.com
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 6:21 am Post subject: Rivet Gun

If the nose piece is hardened, you can easily "soften" it. Just heat it up to a cherry red with a propane torch and let it cool (don't quench).  Then you can shape it with a Dremel and a metal-cutting bit or an abrasive bit.  I found the metal cutting bit best. This procedure will not substantially decrease the durability of the nose piece. 



Jay in Dallas

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"Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v(at)mindspring.com> wrote:



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		  A small point Bill:

    Some noses are hardened, did you have to anneal the nose prior to using the end mill?  If one tries to use a end mill on a hardened nose, you could easily ruin your new end mill.  If you go this route, try filing a non critical area of the nose with the corner of a file.  If a file skates on the surface, it is hardened.  If the file cuts a groove, it is not.  If your file won't cut it, your HSS end mill won't cut it.  Now a very spendy SOLID tungsten carbide end mill will cut hardened steel, but is not worth the cost for this job.  Dremel grinding stones (abrasives) don't care if the steel is hard or not.



Regards,



Randy L. Thwing, Las Vegas   do not archive



John-

        I used a ball mill in my drill press to cut the majority of the concave recess, then touched it up with a Dremel. Chuck a rivet and insert it in the nosepiece hole to line things up, then clamp in your vise. Took me maybe 15 minutes to do the whole set.

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    Bill Naumuk

    HDS Fuselage

    Townville, Pa

Ramills(at)charter.net
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:01 pm Post subject: Rivet gun

Guys

Not to beat a dead horse but I do have a proper regulator and a flow 

restrictor on my Zenith supplied gun--no help with recoil. John, my nose 

pieces supplied with  the Zenith gun do fit my HF gun.



Rodney Mills

601XL/ Corvair

mjoconn(at)pacbell.net
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: Rivet Gun

Time: 09:46:49 PM PST US

From: Rodney Mills <Ramills(at)charter.net (Ramills(at)charter.net)>

Subject:  Rivet Gun

Does the HF rivet puller  come with the appropriately cupped socket to form the head of the rivet?  Does it support the different rivet sizes used on the XL kit?

 Thanks,

 Mike

 Listers,

 I purchased the rivet gun from Zenith and have used  it to build with up 

to now. I have always had trouble with the recoil and  creating smiley's 

even with pressure set as low as possible and flow  controls being used. 

I recently purchased the gun from Harbor Freight and  tried it today 

installing wing skins. This gun has very little or no recoil,  no bounce 

and not a smiley on the entire skin. The Harbor Freight gun is not  as 

comfortable to use and the air line is in an awkward  position but  the 

results in my case were far superior to my Zenith supplied gun. I will  

be buying another one of  the Harbor Freight guns. If anyone is  

interested they are in  the current sale catalog for $19.99. What a  deal 

, What a deal.   Just thought  if anyone was looking for  their first gun 

or a spare this is worth looking at. I paid over $70 for  Zenith gun and 

would not buy again. Inquiring minds may want to  know.

Rodney Mills

Northport, Al

601XL/  Corvair

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naumuk(at)alltel.net
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject: Rivet Gun

All-

     Contrary to my namesake's  opinion, this is different from the Scotchbrite thread, because people are  asking for information rather than excreting opinions.

     1. I didn't anneal my  nosepieces, but it might have made the job easier. 

     2. If you use a ball mill,  you'll still have to smooth things up with a Dremel. You'll have  a more centered pull with one, though. It's really hard to stay centered  using a Dremel offhand.

     Which brings up a third option.  Anneal the nosepiece, chuck the stone you'd use in a Dremel in your drillpress,  center using a rivet, crank your drillpress speed up to max and have at  it.

     Evolution, not  revolution.

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 Bill Naumuk

HDS Fuselage

Townville, Pa

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bryanmmartin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1018

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject: Rivet Gun

The HF riveter I have came with four different nose pieces  3/32, 1/8, 5/32 and  3/16. You have to make the domed cavity yourself or have ZAC do it for you. It's not hard to do. I also ordered extra 1/8 and 5/32 heads so I have a set without the cavities. My riveter lasted through the entire build process and is still going strong. If I was doing this sort of thing for a living, I would probably buy a more expensive unit that would last forever under heavy daily use. For the relatively small amount of use I need it for, the cheap HF unit does the job and when it finally bites the dust, I'm only out $20. I've gotten my money's worth out of it.



On Feb 15, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Mike O'Connor wrote:

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		  Time: 09:46:49 PM PST US

From: Rodney Mills <Ramills(at)charter.net (Ramills(at)charter.net)>

Subject: Rivet Gun



Does the HF rivet puller come with the appropriately cupped socket to form the head of the rivet? Does it support the different rivet sizes used on the XL kit?

 

Thanks,

 

Mike

	






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Bryan Martin

N61BM, CH 601 XL,

RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.

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peterb154

Joined: 29 Jan 2007
Posts: 1

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:29 am Post subject: Rivet Gun

You can send the HF rivet gun heads to Zenith and they'll machine the cups for $11.99 I think.

 On 2/15/07, Mike O'Connor <mjoconn(at)pacbell.net (mjoconn(at)pacbell.net)> wrote:  	  Quote: 	
		    Time: 09:46:49 PM PST US

From: Rodney Mills <Ramills(at)charter.net (Ramills(at)charter.net)>

Subject: Rivet Gun 

Does the HF rivet puller come with the appropriately cupped socket to form the head of the rivet? Does it support the different rivet sizes used on the XL kit?

 Thanks,

 Mike

 Listers,

 I purchased the rivet gun from Zenith and have used it to build with up 

to now. I have always had trouble with the recoil and creating smiley's 

even with pressure set as low as possible and flow controls being used.  

I recently purchased the gun from Harbor Freight and tried it today 

installing wing skins. This gun has very little or no recoil, no bounce  

and not a smiley on the entire skin. The Harbor Freight gun is not as 

comfortable to use and the air line is in an awkward  position but the  

results in my case were far superior to my Zenith supplied gun. I will 

be buying another one of  the Harbor Freight guns. If anyone is  

interested they are in  the current sale catalog for $19.99. What a deal 

, What a deal.   Just thought  if anyone was looking for their first gun 

or a spare this is worth looking at. I paid over $70 for Zenith gun and  

would not buy again. Inquiring minds may want to know.

Rodney Mills

Northport, Al

601XL/ Corvair

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