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frank.hinde(at)hp.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:30 am Post subject: Costly mistake

Ahh!..It could have significant blowby on the piston rings.  What happens is the cylinders are bored and then the heads torqued. this flexes  the bore. The solution is to have it bored with a "boring plate" bolted down  first. This simulates the torque of the head bolts.

  

 Now of course this is only one possibility and it requires  an engine strip to sort it out. The EA 81 is a pretty simple engine to strip and  reassemble so its not the end of the world but not something you want to do more  than once.

  

 My advice is to speak with the top engine guru as far as  EA81's are concerned. That would be Ron Carr at Ram Performance. A number of (so  called) rebuilt Soobs had valve giudes dropping out of their heads, mine  included. Ron was the only guy that came up with a permanent fix. IF you  end up stripping your engine I would have him install the stepped valve  guides.

  

 http://www.ramengines.com/

  

 he is exceptionally knowlegable..

  

 And tell him Frank said Hi....

  

 Frank

 Zodiac 601HDS 400 hours

 RV7a 75 hours.



   From: owner-engines-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-engines-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  Dacha

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 8:23 AM

To:  engines-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Costly  mistake

 

 It is an EA81. What is the fix?

 LeRoy

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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:02 pm Post subject: Costly mistake

If all the parts are wet with oil first  there is no way for any water to get under the oil.  Yes there is no point  in oiling an engine that has been immersed in water  That is one way that  you can get water under the oil.  For engines that have been immersed in  water the best thing you can do is disassemble the engine to a point that you  can dry the engine very quickly then oil for storage.

  

  

 

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purplemoon99(at)bellsouth
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:26 pm Post subject: Costly mistake

Lisen to frank about RAM ,RON IS THE BEST.. my  little  'ol 601/ E81 goes like the wind ,1800 FPM climb not to bad,wait  untill we get her tweeked...       Joe  N101HD

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tstaley(at)centurytel.net
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:03 pm Post subject: Costly mistake

Talked to Ram this morning and when I have it  overhauled they will be the ones to do it. Sounded very professional and  knowledgeable. Not cheap but what is?

 LeRoy

 Ps. thanks to everyone who responded to my request,  great list like to meet the guys sometime.

  

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n801bh(at)netzero.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject: Costly mistake

Sooo. 

 Lets get back to the original question. Frank and Joe and any other soob flyer. What is your oil consumption???????????????????????



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Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



-- "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:

 Lisen to frank about RAM ,RON IS THE BEST.. my little  'ol 601/ E81 goes like the wind ,1800 FPM climb not to bad,wait untill we get her tweeked...       Joe N101HD

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frank.hinde(at)hp.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:12 pm Post subject: Costly mistake

I don't remember my soob consuming oil after break  in.

  

 Frank



   From: owner-engines-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-engines-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  n801bh(at)netzero.com

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 3:35  PM

To: engines-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Engines-List:  Costly mistake

 

 

Sooo. 

 Lets get back to the original question. Frank and Joe and any other  soob flyer. What is your oil consumption???????????????????????



 do  not archive 



Ben Haas

N801BH

www.haaspowerair.com



-- "Southern Reflections" <purplemoon99(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:

 Lisen to frank about RAM ,RON IS THE BEST.. my  little  'ol 601/ E81 goes like the wind ,1800 FPM climb not to bad,wait  untill we get her tweeked...       Joe  N101HD

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frank.hinde(at)hp.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: Costly mistake

When your engine literally eats a chunk of valve guide and  your convinced it is trying to kill you, cheap is not a consideration....When it  does THREE times and the supplier still gives you a bunch of baloney about how  it is your fault (namely you get the bill) then you will see that a Ram engine  is very good value for money indeed.

  

 Yes Ron is bar far the most knowlegable Ea 81 guy out  there.

  

 Frank



   From: owner-engines-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-engines-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  Dacha

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 2:57 PM

To:  engines-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Costly  mistake

 

 Talked to Ram this morning and when I have it  overhauled they will be the ones to do it. Sounded very professional and  knowledgeable. Not cheap but what is?

 LeRoy

 Ps. thanks to everyone who responded to my request,  great list like to meet the guys sometime.

  

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purplemoon99(at)bellsouth
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:03 pm Post subject: Costly mistake

My eng was broke in on a dyno. at ram. I've only  have 2hr. of test flight on it at this point no oil use at this time,plus the  fact i"ve changed it twice already.I've got abit of a cooling problem that we  are trying to over come.nothing serious ,just a little warmer that we want  it.  Joe N101HD

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klehman(at)albedo.net
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: Costly mistake

Pretty close to nil on my ej22 with psru and an average 4200rpm cruise. 

I added a half liter of 5W50 synthetic in the last 40 hours but much of 

that was/is  a small leak.

Ken



n801bh(at)netzero.com wrote:



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		   Sooo.



  Lets get back to the original question. Frank and Joe and any other 

 soob flyer. What is your oil consumption???????????????????????

purplemoon99(at)bellsouth
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject: Costly mistake

What kind of synth. are you using? and for how long ?      Joe N101HD

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klehman(at)albedo.net
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 9:33 am Post subject: Costly mistake

Hi Joe

I suspect that Mobil 1 is no longer a superior product so I use the 

cheaper and easier to obtain Castrol Syntec and unleaded fuel. Soob does 

specify 50 weight oil for this engine for heavy duty applications and it 

works a lot harder than it ever does in a car.  My oil pan temp will get 

up to 120 C (250 F) on hot weather climbs and the 5W50 is also 

comfortable for sub freezing start ups. I only have about 65 hours on 

the engine since new but I'm aware of others that have run similar for a 

few hundred hours now.

Ken



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 What kind of synth. are you using? and for how long ?      Joe N101HD

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frank.hinde(at)hp.com
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:58 pm Post subject: Costly mistake

Joe...I may be able to help

  

 Do you know of a Mr Larry Mcfarland?....He hangs out on the  Zenith list. He has (like a lot of builders) moved his radiator back about  3 feet from its original location. He also made some very nice radiator air  intakes and exhaust louvers that help improve airflow thru the radiator, which  is a problem with the standard 601 set up.

  

 Larry will make and sell these to other  builders.

  

 Cheers

 Frank



   From: owner-engines-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-engines-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Southern  Reflections

Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:03 PM

To:  engines-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Costly  mistake

 

 My eng was broke in on a dyno. at ram. I've only  have 2hr. of test flight on it at this point no oil use at this time,plus the  fact i"ve changed it twice already.I've got abit of a cooling problem that we  are trying to over come.nothing serious ,just a little warmer that we want  it.  Joe N101HD

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purplemoon99(at)bellsouth
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 6:43 pm Post subject: Costly mistake

Thanks Frank, I've been contact with Larry,Along  those lines.        Joe N101HD

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