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smokey_bear_40220(at)yaho
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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:12 pm Post subject: Baggage compartment

Probably just me, but it is the baggage floor on those

tiny little weld mounts just above the elevator push

rod that bothers me the most when I am loaded anywhere

near 150 lbs.  3.8 x 150 = 570 lbs.



Sure the baggage fabric carries some of the load to

its mounts, but those tiny weldments.....  Just wish I

added a few extra braces for peace of mind, I suppose.

 Did anyone ever do that?



Kurt S. S-5



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--- jdmcbean <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   ......................

 FYI.. The engine mount, baggage area even the

 horizontal tail surface was load tested.

 

 Fly Safe !!

 John McBean

 www.sportplanellc.com

 "The Sky is not the Limit...  It's a Playground"

dan(at)azshowersolutions.
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:41 am Post subject: Baggage compartment

Kurt,

  It may be a little tough if you already have your bird covered, but have you thought of building a floor in over the pushrod? Built with aluminum angle and held in place with adel clamps. If interested I can send a few pictures...contact off site.

  Dan  B

  Mesa, AZ

  www.azshowersolutions.com/Kitfox1.html



kurt schrader <smokey_bear_40220(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

  



Probably just me, but it is the baggage floor on those

tiny little weld mounts just above the elevator push

rod that bothers me the most when I am loaded anywhere

near 150 lbs. 3.8 x 150 = 570 lbs.



Sure the baggage fabric carries some of the load to

its mounts, but those tiny weldments..... Just wish I

added a few extra braces for peace of mind, I suppose.

Did anyone ever do that?



Kurt S. S-5



Do not archive



--- jdmcbean wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   ......................

 FYI.. The engine mount, baggage area even the

 horizontal tail surface was load tested.

 

 Fly Safe !!

 John McBean

 www.sportplanellc.com

 "The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"

kingjohne(at)adelphia.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:42 pm Post subject: Baggage compartment

Kurt,

That bothered me when I was building my Series 6.  Also I did not like 

the fabric sides as a support to contain shifting cargo in turbulence.  

I decided to remove the fabric entirely and designed solid sides and a 

back end with removal 3/32-inch aircraft grade plywood.  The plywood 

sides and bottom also supported the cargo deck.  It turned into a much 

more sturdier cargo bay.

-- 

John King 

Warrenton, VA

kurt schrader wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

Probably just me, but it is the baggage floor on those

tiny little weld mounts just above the elevator push

rod that bothers me the most when I am loaded anywhere

near 150 lbs.  3.8 x 150 = 570 lbs.

Sure the baggage fabric carries some of the load to

its mounts, but those tiny weldments.....  Just wish I

added a few extra braces for peace of mind, I suppose.

 Did anyone ever do that?

Kurt S. S-5

Do not archive

--- jdmcbean <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net> wrote:

>......................

>FYI.. The engine mount, baggage area even the

>horizontal tail surface was load tested.

>

>Fly Safe !!

>John McBean

>www.sportplanellc.com

>"The Sky is not the Limit...  It's a Playground"

>    

>

bnn(at)nethere.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: Baggage compartment

At 11:05 PM 3/2/2006, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Probably just me, but it is the baggage floor on those

tiny little weld mounts just above the elevator push

rod that bothers me the most when I am loaded anywhere

near 150 lbs.  3.8 x 150 = 570 lbs.


	


         I did just that, except being a IV I designed it for about 6x40 = 

240lb at ultimate, (failure). I then tested it by climbing in and jumping 

up and down on it. (I weigh about 195, so needed some G's.)

         You definitely should be bothered by the proximity of the control 

rod. A failure of the baggage floor could ruin your whole day. I know some 

say it's not easy to hit 3.8 g's, but when I was doing aerobatic training I 

found it quite easy. Six is more difficult, but if you're flying at or near 

Vne it's supposedly rather easy. (Some birds are ultra strong and Vne is 

set by flutter considerations. I personally do not believe my IV is over 

strong, (the spherical bearings at the outboard strut ends are marginal,) 

so suspect Vne may be a structural limit. (Note discussion of motor mounts 

elsewhere.))

Guy Buchanan

K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

smokey_bear_40220(at)yaho
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: Baggage compartment

Thanks John,



Did you fasten the wood to the upper tubing with Adel

clemps, or what?  Any other supports added?  Did it

add much weight?  I suppose it is removable.  I'll do

an upgrade on that later on my plane.



Kurt S.



--- John King <kingjohne(at)adelphia.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Kurt,

 

 That bothered me when I was building my Series 6. 

 Also I did not like 

 the fabric sides as a support to contain shifting

 cargo in turbulence.  

 I decided to remove the fabric entirely and designed

 solid sides and a 

 back end with removal 3/32-inch aircraft grade

 plywood.  The plywood 

 sides and bottom also supported the cargo deck.  It

 turned into a much more sturdier cargo bay.

 

 -- 

 John King 

 Warrenton, VA

janderson412(at)hotmail.c
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:07 pm Post subject: Baggage compartment

The thing with cargo in a/c is that it MUST be tethered...so long as the 

base (floor) is strong enough and secure. On my 5 I have secured the  

baggage floor to the fuse mounts with ring top bolts and have a securing net 

and tie downs.

John A.

Series 5 EA 81 Intercooled Turbo





From:  John King <kingjohne(at)adelphia.net>

Reply-To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

To:  kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

Subject:  Re: Baggage compartment

Date:  Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:41:06 -0500




Kurt,



That bothered me when I was building my Series 6.  Also I did not like

the fabric sides as a support to contain shifting cargo in turbulence.

I decided to remove the fabric entirely and designed solid sides and a

back end with removal 3/32-inch aircraft grade plywood.  The plywood

sides and bottom also supported the cargo deck.  It turned into a much

more sturdier cargo bay.



--

John King

Warrenton, VA

kurt schrader wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  

<smokey_bear_40220(at)yahoo.com>



Probably just me, but it is the baggage floor on those

tiny little weld mounts just above the elevator push

rod that bothers me the most when I am loaded anywhere

near 150 lbs.  3.8 x 150 = 570 lbs.



Sure the baggage fabric carries some of the load to

its mounts, but those tiny weldments.....  Just wish I

added a few extra braces for peace of mind, I suppose.

Did anyone ever do that?



Kurt S. S-5



Do not archive



--- jdmcbean <jdmcbean(at)cableone.net> wrote:



>......................

>FYI.. The engine mount, baggage area even the

>horizontal tail surface was load tested.

>

>Fly Safe !!

>John McBean

>www.sportplanellc.com

>"The Sky is not the Limit...  It's a Playground"






	




Discover fun and games at  (at)  http://xtramsn.co.nz/kids

smokey_bear_40220(at)yaho
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: Baggage compartment

Thanks Guy,



I need to improve that cargo area.  I would be

uncomfortable risking sitting on my cargo floor.  As

for now, I keep it limited to 135 lbs and that loaded

forward because the elevator tube could rub.



You are right about wing strut ends too.  Mine had to

have the upgraded bolts to use 1550# gross.  And there

are those few components that have no redundancy that

you better check every preflight and every annual too.



As for G's, it is amazing what one can achieve when

distracted.  When I flew A-4's, I remember a certain

flight doing air combat maneuverine (ACM) in

particular.  The "enemy" was behind me.  I was flying

at full power, left hand on the stick upside down

(thumb down and elbow up) spun around in my seat to

face backwards, and standing on the peddles.  After

the fight I saw 6 G's on the meter.  Lost a lot of

weight in 1.5 hours on those flights!  And I really

appreciate every day what our military does.



Kurt S.



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--- Guy Buchanan <bnn(at)nethere.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   I did just that, except being a IV I

 designed it for about 6x40 = 

 240lb at ultimate, (failure). I then tested it by

 climbing in and jumping 

 up and down on it. (I weigh about 195, so needed

 some G's.)

          You definitely should be bothered by the

 proximity of the control 

 rod. A failure of the baggage floor could ruin your

 whole day.............

smokey_bear_40220(at)yaho
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: Baggage compartment

Yes Dan,



I'd like to see how you did it.  Mine is flying, but

never "done".  It can always be made better.



Kurt S.



--- Dan Billingsley <dan(at)azshowersolutions.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Kurt,

   It may be a little tough if you already have your

 bird covered, but have you thought of building a

 floor in over the pushrod? Built with aluminum angle

 and held in place with adel clamps. If interested I

 can send a few pictures...contact off site.

   Dan  B

   Mesa, AZ

   www.azshowersolutions.com/Kitfox1.html

bnn(at)nethere.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:03 pm Post subject: Baggage compartment

At 08:24 PM 3/3/2006, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  As

for now, I keep it limited to 135 lbs and that loaded

forward because the elevator tube could rub.


	


Well, if you're uncomfortable sitting in your cargo area, I would think you 

would be very uncomfortable with 135 pounds in it. (3.8g * 135 lbs = 513 

lbs.) Unless you weigh more than 513 lbs... 



 	  Quote: 	
		  You are right about wing strut ends too.  Mine had to

have the upgraded bolts to use 1550# gross.


	


Which bolts did you upgrade? The outboard end? To what did you upgrade?



 	  Quote: 	
		  I was flying

at full power, left hand on the stick upside down

(thumb down and elbow up) spun around in my seat to

face backwards, and standing on the peddles.


	


You were flying an A4 sitting BACKWARDS? You ARE good! (Not sure I'd try it 

in a 152.)

Guy Buchanan

K-IV 1200 / 582 / 99.9% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

kingjohne(at)adelphia.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:45 pm Post subject: Baggage compartment

Kirt,

I attached the plywood sides to the tubing with #6-32 stainless flat 

head screws that were screwed into anchor nuts.  The anchor nuts were 

secured to small wood blocks that were cemented with structural adhesive 

to the tubing.  The plywood sides were attached to the floor by aluminum 

angle and #6-32 SS screws.  All plywood sides were removable.  The 

weight of the plywood and aluminum angles were a pound more than the 

cloth sack provided by SkyStar.  I did not use the cloth sack.

-- 

John King 

Warrenton, VA

kurt schrader wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

Thanks John,

Did you fasten the wood to the upper tubing with Adel

clemps, or what?  Any other supports added?  Did it

add much weight?  I suppose it is removable.  I'll do

an upgrade on that later on my plane.

Kurt S.

--- John King <kingjohne(at)adelphia.net> wrote:

>Kurt,

>

>That bothered me when I was building my Series 6. 

>Also I did not like 

>the fabric sides as a support to contain shifting

>cargo in turbulence.  

>I decided to remove the fabric entirely and designed

>solid sides and a 

>back end with removal 3/32-inch aircraft grade

>plywood.  The plywood 

>sides and bottom also supported the cargo deck.  It

>turned into a much more sturdier cargo bay.

>

>-- 

>John King 

>Warrenton, VA

>    

>

smokey_bear_40220(at)yaho
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject: Baggage compartment

That is quite an upgrade for one pound John.  You da'

man!  Again!



Kurt S.



--- John King <kingjohne(at)adelphia.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Kirt,

 

 I attached the plywood sides to the tubing with

 #6-32 stainless flat 

 head screws that were screwed into anchor nuts.  The

 anchor nuts were 

 secured to small wood blocks that were cemented with

 structural adhesive 

 to the tubing.  The plywood sides were attached to

 the floor by aluminum 

 angle and #6-32 SS screws.  All plywood sides were

 removable.  The 

 weight of the plywood and aluminum angles were a

 pound more than the 

 cloth sack provided by SkyStar.  I did not use the

 cloth sack.



 John King 

 Warrenton, VA

smokey_bear_40220(at)yaho
Guest

Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:14 pm Post subject: Baggage compartment

Guy,

--- Guy Buchanan <bnn(at)nethere.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Well, if you're uncomfortable sitting in your cargo

 area, I would think you 

 would be very uncomfortable with 135 pounds in it.

 (3.8g * 135 lbs = 513 

 lbs.) Unless you weigh more than 513 lbs... 

Ya' caught me between diets Guy....   Really it is

that first step in when all my weight is on one foot

that scares me.  My footprint isn't the same as a

spread out load on that bulsa floor.

 	  Quote: 	
		   -------------------------

 >You are right about wing strut ends too.  Mine had

 >to have the upgraded bolts to use 1550# gross.

 Which bolts did you upgrade? The outboard end? To

 what did you upgrade?

The outboard ends.  1/4" bolts.  Actually they were

upgraded to harder bolts by SkyStar on the later

S-5's, so I was told.  I just used the ones provided.

 	  Quote: 	
		   -------------------------

 	  Quote: 	
		   >I was flying

 >at full power, left hand on the stick upside down

 >(thumb down and elbow up) spun around in my seat to

 >face backwards, and standing on the peddles.

 You were flying an A4 sitting BACKWARDS? You ARE

 good! (Not sure I'd try it in a 152.)

"Used to" be good, Guy.  Now just old and looking back

in time.  Just as amazed as you are too.  What is

really amazing is another pilot mooned his wingman in

one.  Think of what that all requires.  The cockpit

just isn't that big.

Kurt S.

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