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Michel

Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 966 Location: Norway
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps |
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Quote: | From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt(at)jps.net]
I have an Odyssey (corrected spelling via looking at my battery) 680
battery, and it performs flawlessly.
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Same engine, same battery, same experience!
However it may be that leaving the battery a long time without charging ... but the remedy is, of course, to fly a lot!
(she) - What? You want to go and fly again?
(him) - But, darling, think of the cost of a new battery!
Michel
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kitfoxmike
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps |
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I have the Odyssey 535, this battery is great, never had an issue in over 3 years. I fly virtually every day rain, shine, wind, snow... engine starts everytime.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps |
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I guess I started the concern over the Odyssey battery with my current
starter problem. As part of my troubleshooting I had my Odyssey 680 tested
today by a battery specialist company. My Odyssey is 100% in good working
order both static and under load test. Back to troubleshooting. The
battery ain't tha problem.
Don Smythe
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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 2704 Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:08 pm Post subject: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps |
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Unless you have a burnt starter relay, a bad ground on the starter motor or
both then the problem is in the starter itself. I know on my plane (Kitfox
582) that is a royal pain in the butt to get out.
I have seen certified aircraft that started easily for years and suddenly
had problems cranking. The electrical ground had been passing some how
through the engine mounts and control cables for years until corrosion
started causing the problems. The installation of a good bonding braid
across the engine Lord mount cured the problem.
You can easily ring out the ground between the engine and the negative
terminal of the battery with a Volt/Ohm/Meter (VOM) if there is any
appreciable resistance showing then a bonding strap may help... It's cheap
too and relatively permanent.
On an old Datsun I had problems with the starter that turned out to be the
slightest bit of corrosion on the starter mount and the bolts that held the
starter to the engine block. Cleaning the end of the starter and part of
the housing it fit into with fine sand paper cured the problem. If the
engine has an aluminium mounting spot or the starter drive housing is
aluminium then aluminium oxide paper is recommended.
Hope this helps.
Noel
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:32 am Post subject: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps |
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The problem has been fixed (I think). I replaced/cleaned all the grounds
and hot wires that I could get to. Engine spun right up. However, during
the spin up I heard a short duration noise twice that sounded like something
grinding. Never heard this before. It stopped. After that, I turned on
the fuel and hit the mags. She fired right up. The problem seems to be
fixed but the grinding noise made me nervous.
Don Smythe
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps |
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Don, I am in the process of replacing the sprag clutch in my
912ULS. How does your starter engage the crank in your engine?
Allan Arthur
Kitfox 5, N40AA
Rotax 912ULS, Warpdrive 3 blade
Byron Airport, CA (C83) Hanger C8
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The problem has been fixed (I think). I replaced/cleaned all the
grounds and hot wires that I could get to. Engine spun right up.
However, during the spin up I heard a short duration noise twice
that sounded like something grinding. Never heard this before. It
stopped. After that, I turned on the fuel and hit the mags. She
fired right up. The problem seems to be fixed but the grinding
noise made me nervous.
Don Smythe
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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 2704 Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:10 am Post subject: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps |
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I don't know why but I'm guessing you have a 582. If so the bolts that hold
the starter to the mag end of the crank are only supposed to be tightened to
the point where there is a (I think) 1mm gap between the starter and the
engine housing. If the starter is a bit out of line that might cause the
grinding sound.
Glad to hear you are running again.
Clear skies
Noel
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:02 pm Post subject: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps |
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Allan,
I have the 582. The starter is mounted on the far rear of the engine down
low with the gear facing forward. The starter gear engages a large flywheel
on the back of the engine.
Don Smythe
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps |
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Don,
I may finally have something of actual value to contribute here. I too once experienced starter problems on my 582. Same scenario, fully charged battery,etc. I finally resigned myself to the fact that the starter had to come out and looked at, pulling the engine,etc. After disassembling the starter, I found one of the brushes worn down to the point that the braided copper wire on the brush was actually contacting the end of the slot the brush slides in, preventing the brush from making full contact with the commutator. I took the starter to a local alternator/starter rebuild supply shop, and while they didn't have the Denso brushes in stock, they were able to cross reference them with a suitable replacement. I don't recall how exactly, but the braided copper on the replacement was oriented differently,but, I was able to "make it work". After thoroughly cleaning all the components of the grime and dust(assumably from the deterioration of the brushes), The starter bench tested strong. It's been starting fine since, as long as the battery is fully charged. I don't know what the life expectancy on those brushes is supposed to be, but, my hobbs reads 844 hrs. Hope this helps.
Greg Gerace
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps |
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Greg,
Excellent information. Now I can pick your brain just a bit. I once pulled the end of my old Ford 8N tractor starter and brushes, springs and other parts flew all over the shop. Took a bit of engineering to get all the guts back in. Is the 582 starter a similar situation or can you simply remove a back cover and view the brushes without inflicting pain. I don't want to make a similar mistake. Also, it's good to know that a local starter shop might be able to match up some brushes.
Thanks, this is the kind of valuable information that can come from this list.
Thanks,
Don Smythe
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps |
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Don,
It's been a couple of years since I replaced the brushes, so memory's a little fuzzy here. I'm pretty sure I recall the brushes being part of the rear housing, but I don't recall that much of a hassle coming apart or going back together. Pretty straight forward, just the usual finagling getting the rear housing on while holding the brushes back.
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