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Michel

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 966
Location: Norway

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps

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		   From: Lynn Matteson [lynnmatt(at)jps.net] 

 I have an Odyssey (corrected spelling via looking at my battery) 680  

 battery, and it performs flawlessly.


	


Same engine, same battery, same experience! 

However it may be that leaving the battery a long time without charging ... but the remedy is, of course, to fly a lot!

(she) - What? You want to go and fly again? 

(him) - But, darling, think of the cost of a new battery! 



Michel

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kitfoxmike

Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Posts: 373

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:24 am Post subject: Re: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps

I have the Odyssey 535, this battery is great, never had an issue in over 3 years.  I fly virtually every day rain, shine, wind, snow... engine starts everytime.

dosmythe(at)cox.net
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps

I guess I started the concern over the Odyssey battery with my current 

starter problem.  As part of my troubleshooting I had my Odyssey 680 tested 

today by a battery specialist company.  My Odyssey is 100% in good working 

order both static and under load test.  Back to troubleshooting.  The 

battery ain't tha problem.



Don Smythe

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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:08 pm Post subject: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps

Unless you have a burnt starter relay, a bad ground on the starter motor or

both then the problem is in the starter itself.  I know on my plane (Kitfox

582) that is a royal pain in the butt to get out.  



I have seen certified aircraft that started easily for years and suddenly

had problems cranking.  The electrical ground had been passing some how

through the engine mounts and control cables for years  until corrosion

started causing the problems.  The installation of a good bonding braid

across the engine Lord mount cured the problem.  



You can easily ring out the ground between the engine and the negative

terminal of the battery with a Volt/Ohm/Meter  (VOM) if there is any

appreciable resistance showing then a bonding strap may help... It's cheap

too and relatively permanent.



On an old Datsun I had problems with the starter that turned out to be the

slightest bit of corrosion on the starter mount and the bolts that held the

starter to the engine block.  Cleaning the end of the starter and part of

the housing it fit into with fine sand paper cured the problem.  If the

engine has an aluminium mounting spot or the starter drive housing is

aluminium then aluminium oxide paper is recommended.



Hope this helps.



Noel



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dosmythe(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:32 am Post subject: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps

The problem has been fixed (I think).  I replaced/cleaned all the grounds 

and hot wires that I could get to.  Engine spun right up.  However, during 

the spin up I heard a short duration noise twice that sounded like something 

grinding.  Never heard this before.  It stopped.  After that, I turned on 

the fuel and hit the mags.  She fired right up.  The problem seems to be 

fixed but the grinding noise made me nervous.



Don Smythe



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alnanarthur(at)sbcglobal.
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps

Don,  I am  in the process of replacing the sprag clutch in my  

912ULS.  How does your starter engage the crank in your engine?



Allan Arthur

Kitfox 5, N40AA

Rotax 912ULS, Warpdrive 3 blade

Byron Airport, CA  (C83)  Hanger C8



On Apr 3, 2007, at 3:31 AM, Don Smythe wrote:



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 The problem has been fixed (I think).  I replaced/cleaned all the  

 grounds and hot wires that I could get to.  Engine spun right up.   

 However, during the spin up I heard a short duration noise twice  

 that sounded like something grinding.  Never heard this before.  It  

 stopped.  After that, I turned on the fuel and hit the mags.  She  

 fired right up.  The problem seems to be fixed but the grinding  

 noise made me nervous.



 Don Smythe

Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 2704
Location: Campbellton, Newfoundland

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:10 am Post subject: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps

I don't know why but I'm guessing you have a 582.  If so the bolts that hold

the starter to the mag end of the crank are only supposed to be tightened to

the point where there is a (I think) 1mm gap between the starter and the

engine housing.  If the starter is a bit out of line that might cause the

grinding sound.



Glad to hear you are running again.



Clear skies



Noel



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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:02 pm Post subject: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps

Allan,

I have the 582.  The starter is mounted on the far rear of the engine down 

low with the gear facing forward.  The starter gear engages a large flywheel 

on the back of the engine.



Don Smythe

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GONER752(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps

Don,

 I may finally have something of actual value to contribute here. I too  once experienced starter problems on my 582. Same scenario, fully charged  battery,etc. I finally resigned myself to the fact that the starter had to come  out and looked at, pulling the engine,etc. After disassembling the starter, I  found one of the brushes worn down to the point that the braided copper wire on  the brush was actually contacting the end of the slot the brush slides in,  preventing the brush from making full contact with the commutator. I took the  starter to a local alternator/starter rebuild supply shop, and while they didn't  have the Denso brushes in stock, they were able to cross reference them with a  suitable replacement. I don't recall how exactly, but the braided copper on the  replacement was oriented differently,but, I was able to "make it work". After  thoroughly cleaning all the components of the grime and dust(assumably from the  deterioration of the brushes), The starter bench tested strong. It's been  starting fine since, as long as the battery is fully charged. I don't know what  the life expectancy on those brushes is supposed to be, but, my hobbs reads 844  hrs. Hope this helps.

  

 Greg Gerace

  

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582



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dosmythe(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps

Greg,

     Excellent information.  Now I can pick your brain  just a bit.  I once pulled the end of my old Ford 8N tractor starter and  brushes, springs and other parts flew all over the shop.  Took a bit  of engineering to get all the guts back in.  Is the 582 starter a  similar situation or can you simply remove a back cover and view the brushes  without inflicting pain.  I don't want to make a similar mistake.   Also, it's good to know that a local starter shop might be able to match up some  brushes.

     Thanks, this is the kind of valuable information that  can come from this list.

  

 Thanks, 

 Don Smythe

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GONER752(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:45 pm Post subject: Odyssey battery WAS: 2nd Flight-High Oil Temps

Don,

 It's been a couple of years since I replaced the brushes, so memory's a  little fuzzy here. I'm pretty sure I recall the brushes being part of the rear  housing, but I don't recall that much of a hassle coming apart or going back  together. Pretty straight forward, just the usual finagling getting the rear  housing on while holding the brushes back.

 Greg Gerace   

 375KL

Mod  2

582





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