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hcourier(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: SB-90C

Hello, 

  

 The AD related to Service Bulletin 90D is due on the Aero Commander I fly  (680 FLP, N91ES).  That SB pertains to the wing spar cap inspection due  every (now) 750 hours. Looks like we'll have to take the center fuel cell out  for that job.  By chance, does anyone know of a situation where one can  avoid taking the fuel cell out but still be able to complete the  inspection?

  

  

 Thank you, 

  

 Ray Mansfield

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jtaddington(at)verizon.ne
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: SB-90C

Check with John Towner, if it is the one I am thinking about they have a  much better way.

 Jim Addington



   From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray  Mansfield

Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:58 PM

To: Matronics  List

Subject: SB-90C

 

 Hello, 

  

 The AD related to Service Bulletin 90D is due on the Aero Commander I fly  (680 FLP, N91ES).  That SB pertains to the wing spar cap inspection due  every (now) 750 hours. Looks like we'll have to take the center fuel cell out  for that job.  By chance, does anyone know of a situation where one can  avoid taking the fuel cell out but still be able to complete the  inspection?

  

  

 Thank you, 

  

 Ray Mansfield

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hcourier(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: SB-90C

Thanks Jim, I'll do that.  Do you have an email address or phone number for Mr.  Towner? 

  

 RM

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jtaddington(at)verizon.ne
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: SB-90C

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I have tried to email him but don’t have the right address. His phone is 816-472 7711. You can try this address  johntowner(at)centeralairsouthwest.com (johntowner(at)centeralairsouthwest.com).  

They don’t come any better than John.  

Jim Addington  

   

         

  

From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Mansfield

 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:55 PM

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Commander-List: SB-90C  

  

     

Thanks Jim, I'll do that. Do you have an email address or phone number for Mr. Towner?   

    

   

    

RM  

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tfisher(at)commandergroup
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: SB-90C

Let me know what he says if posted  off-list.

 Tom.

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hcourier(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: SB-90C

Hi Jim,

  

 I sent John Towner an email but it  came back to me also.  I'll try calling him in the morning.  Thanks  for the help.

  

 RM

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hcourier(at)cox.net
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:17 pm Post subject: SB-90C

Sure will. 

  

 RM

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cschuerm(at)cox.net
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:11 am Post subject: SB-90C

Tom Fisher wrote:

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		   Let me know what he says if posted off-list.


	


Better yet,

Get some of this valuable information collected and posted to the web 

site.   The amount of fantastic data that has flowed through this list 

then off into the great bit bucked is really sad.  To this day, I get 

phone calls with questions from people who tried to find answers on web 

sites.  JB/Nico - no offense intended at all, but there are a lot of  

holes in the web site.   There were some really great documents - like 

Barry's master STC list - and the detailed model descriptions that are 

gone now.  Quite a few broken links as well.  The site used to have a 

tech tips section with some AD/SB info as well as user submitted 

documentation like Milt's 685 performance calculator.  I think it would 

be a great service to Commander owners to put some effort into putting 

valuable commander-specific information online.

All to soon, none of "us" are going to be here and that web site may be 

the only backup of the tribal lore!



Chris

nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:04 am Post subject: SB-90C

Folks,



I take all criticism in a positive spirit and admit that the site hasn't in

the past received the attention it deserved. That started to change a while

ago, which I hope was noticeable in the smaller changes being dealt with

more rapidly. 



I believe that I still have all the communications in archive that has been

sent over the years. If I remember correctly, when this list went over to

Matronics from the previous list-hosting service, I supplied most of the

historical posts from my archives to prevent a restart from scratch. So, I

will retrieve whatever I have from said archive and work it into the site. I

need your patience and indulgence as I work on this labor of love. 



Keep the comments flowing, especially regarding broken links, spelling

mistakes, and other irritating things. Please be specific where the errors

are spotted by stating the page name and perhaps referencing a paragraph, so

that finding a problem doesn't involve saddling up a posse. The policy is to

take care of those almost immediately so that the small items don't bog the

site down. 



Thanks



Nico

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floydgm(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:18 am Post subject: SB-90C

Thank you for your efforts on this labor of love Nico!

[quote] From: nico(at)cybersuperstore.com

 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: SB-90C

 Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 06:02:15 -0700

 --> Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>

 Folks,

 I take all criticism in a positive spirit and admit that the site hasn't in

 the past received the attention it deserved. That started to change a while

 ago, which I hope was noticeable in the smaller changes being dealt with

 more rapidly. 

 I believe that I still have all the communications in archive that has been

 sent over the years. If I remember correctly, when this list went over to

 Matronics from the previous list-hosting service, I supplied most of the

 historical posts from my archives to prevent a restart from scratch. So, I

 will retrieve whatever I have from said archive and work it into the site. I

 need your patience and indulgence as I work on this labor of love. 

 Keep the comments flowing, especially regarding broken links, spelling

 mistakes, and other irritating things. Please be specific where the errors

 are spotted by stating the page name and perhaps referencing a paragraph, so

 that finding a problem doesn't involve saddling up a posse. The policy is to

 take care of those almost immediately so that the small items don't bog the

 site down. 

 Thanks

 Nico

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cschuerm(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:14 am Post subject: SB-90C

nico css wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Keep the comments flowing


	


Nico,

I believe I still have my entire original web site archived.  I see you 

have some parts of it still under the Library->Web archives section.  

There were a huge number of photos there along with scans of most of the 

Commander brochures ever printed and a number of useful documents.  Many 

of those links are dead.

If I can be of any assistance in supplying missing information, you have 

but to ask.  Even though I'm no longer a Commander owner, I still would 

like to see the web site survive and grow.  I spent many years 

collecting the information, creating that web site, and trying to keep 

valuable updates going, so it's ongoing survival is somewhat personal.



Chris

nico(at)cybersuperstore.c
Guest

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:32 am Post subject: SB-90C

Hi Chris,



I appreciate your help and dedication. Web technology has grown

exponentially since this site was designed and I would like to make it more

efficient and usable. I did notice images in one of the folders that

correspond with what you are referring to. So, there are a lot of things

floating on the server that are very valuable. As I work through the data,

I'll definitely call on your assistance and those of others, too.



Thanks



Nico

 



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don.barry(at)sbcglobal.ne
Guest

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject: SB-90C

Here's a couple DL's I noticed off the Home Page:



Media Gallery - Dead link, SQL error

Plane of the Month - Dead link, SQL Error

Library -> Photos - Dead link



Don

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Budplaster(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: SB-90C

Chris,

  

 I have read your contributions pertaining to the proper care and  maintenance of commanders for quite some while now, and find them not only  greatly helpful but also beneficial to the mechanics I let around my  machines. I think it is very fair to say that I have the mechanical aptitude of  a post..wooden or metal.

  

 I am proof that one can be a very happy commander owner without the  knowledge that is possessed by you and the other contributors/owners/former  owners/soon-to-be owners and will remain that way just as long as you folks  continue to post those things that become issues and their solutions.

  

 I had no idea that upon purchasing a commander I would indirectly receive  the support I have received. I do not have the technical qualifications to  contribute to the postings, except to say if someone needs to know how to spend  money to maintain an airplane in proper condition I am that person.

  

 Thanks To All,

  

 Buddy A.  Plaster      



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dongirod

Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Posts: 140

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: SB-90C

Bud;

  

 Long time No Hear, did you ever get the 690?

  

 Don Girod

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yourtcfg(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: SB-90C

90C does not require removal of the fuel cell.  The inspection is of the forward (cabin) side of the lower spar cap and is accessed through the upper cabin area.  Remove the headliner and insulation and the area it is visable.  Some owners modify the headliner to make access a bit easier.  jb

   	  Quote: 	
		     

   The AD related to Service Bulletin 90D is due on the Aero Commander I fly (680 FLP, N91ES).  That SB pertains to the wing spar cap inspection due every (now) 750 hours. Looks like we'll have to take the center fuel cell out for that job.  By chance, does anyone know of a situation where one can avoid taking the fuel cell out but still be able to complete the inspection?

    

 	


 

 

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hcourier(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: SB-90C

Thanks for the information.  Undoubtedly you have had your plane  inspected in accordance with SB-90C (Almost no difference between 90D).  My  question:  In reading 90C or 90D the SB specifically says to remove the  center fuel cell to do the inspection.  We're talking part of the wing  spar.  How does one avoid removing the fuel cell when it says to do  so.  I'm not saying you are incorrect, I'm just inquiring about how you get  around that requirement and still get to the parts needing inspection..   Thank you for the information.

  

 Ray Mansfield

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cschuerm(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject: SB-90C

Budplaster(at)aol.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   if someone needs to know how to spend money to maintain an airplane in 

 proper condition I am that person.

  

Thanks Buddy.  I think underestimate the value you may have to others 
	


though.  These days, the technical savvy needed to maintain a Commander 

is certainly important, but  knowing not how to spend money, but "with 

whom to spend money" is just as critical.



cheers,

Chris

cschuerm(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: SB-90C

Ray Mansfield wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   In reading 90C or 90D the SB specifically says to remove the center 

 fuel cell to do the inspection.


	


Ray, I hate to contradict JB - especially without a copy of 90D in front 

of me, but I believe you are correct.  I'm almost 100% sure that you are 

indeed required to remove the cell to inspect the rear of the spar.   Is 

90D available in electronic form anywhere?  I'd sure appreciate it if 

someone could email me a copy or point me to a URL so I can refresh some 

old brain cells.



Thanks,

Chris

tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.n
Guest

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: SB-90C

Nico,

The web site is not coming up?

Chris,

you make a good point about having the AD's on the web site or the  

links to the FAA web site.

This is a resource that we need to have reference to.

Tylor

On Jun 6, 2008, at 6:45 PM, Chris wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Ray Mansfield wrote:

> In reading 90C or 90D the SB specifically says to remove the center  

> fuel cell to do the inspection.

 Ray, I hate to contradict JB - especially without a copy of 90D in  

 front of me, but I believe you are correct.  I'm almost 100% sure  

 that you are indeed required to remove the cell to inspect the rear  

 of the spar.   Is 90D available in electronic form anywhere?  I'd  

 sure appreciate it if someone could email me a copy or point me to a  

 URL so I can refresh some old brain cells.

 Thanks,

 Chris

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