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K Dilks

Joined: 22 Sep 2008
Posts: 108
Location: UK

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:28 am Post subject: Riveting rudder hinge

Hi all ,

 just riveting the rudder together and noticed I cant get the rivet gun on the rivets for the upper hinge brackets, also I see people leave them off until later but I cant find any reference to this.

 How do you rivet these 2 parts on?   plane says A5 rivets



 Regards

Kev

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Ianrat

Joined: 31 Mar 2008
Posts: 43
Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:06 am Post subject: Re: Riveting rudder hinge

I have used small bolts instead of the outer two rivets. Some plains were having a problem with the hinge becoming loose over time. If you can not get the rivet gun onto the rivet you can get a puller that has the sides ground back. Most tool suppliers will have these. Yes i did wait until i was able to fit the rudder to the fuselage before fitting the top hinges. 



Hope this helps you out



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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: Riveting rudder hinge

look here and see the video "pull riveting in tight places"  it is quite 

simple. http://www.eaa.org/video/homebuilders.html?videoId=1858922506



Dirk



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		   Hi all ,

 just riveting the rudder together and noticed I cant get the rivet gun on 

 the rivets for the upper hinge brackets, also I see people leave them off 

 until later but I cant find any reference to this.

 How do you rivet these 2 parts on?   plane says A5 rivets



 Regards

 Kev



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naumuk(at)alltel.net
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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: Riveting rudder hinge

Kev-

    The reason you leave one set of hinges off is to make it easier to line 

them up with the fuse. Being as I'm the valedictorian of the school of hard 

knocks, take it from me-I highly recommend waiting.

                                                                             

        Bill

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JohnDRead(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject: Riveting rudder hinge

Hi Kevin;

             I  found that with many of the rivets that are close in I had to modify a hand  riveter. I did this by grinding off the sides of the rivetter so I could get in  close. The rudder is one of many places where the air riveter cannot get in  close enough. I can send a picture if this would help

  

 John  Read

  

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Hi all ,

just riveting the rudder    together and noticed I cant get the rivet gun on the rivets for the upper    hinge brackets, also I see people leave them off until later but I cant find    any reference to this.

How do you rivet these 2 parts on?   plane    says A5 rivets



Regards

Kev



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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject: Riveting rudder hinge

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  John, several years ago somebody came up with a good fix-- They took a  piece of half inch rod, drilled it slightly larger than the rivet stem, cut it  about half an inch long, and then ground a 30 to 40 degree flat on one end. The  idea was that you slip it on the rivet shaft with the angled flat to the puller,  ran the shaft into the riveter nose, and pulled the rivet. The shaft then bends  around the corner as you pull. I made one, and it worked well.

  

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n85ae

Joined: 14 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:24 am Post subject: Re: Riveting rudder hinge

If you use bolts you will need to have access plates installed. A better

way if you're worried about the rivets is to use Solids. They are MUCH

stronger than A5's



Regards,

Jeff

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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject: Riveting rudder hinge

If you are worried about strength why not use A6 rivets. If you use either  bolts or solids you will need access to the inside of the rudder.

  

 John  Read



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If    you use bolts you will need to have access plates installed. A better

way    if you're worried about the rivets is to use Solids. They are MUCH

stronger    than A5's



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Jeff





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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: Riveting rudder hinge

How about SS rivets? 



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JohnDRead(at)aol.com wrote:[quote]     If you are worried about strength why not use A6 rivets. If you use either  bolts or solids you will need access to the inside of the rudder.

  

 John  Read



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If    you use bolts you will need to have access plates installed. A better

way    if you're worried about the rivets is to use Solids. They are MUCH

stronger    than A5's



Regards,

Jeff





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n85ae

Joined: 14 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: Riveting rudder hinge

You could use CherryMax expensive, but strong



If you use solids you only need access when you put them in, but then you 

can close the rudder skin. Bolts, you will need permanent access. Unless you

put in nutplates.



I bought a rivet gun to shoot solids, and the better I get with it, more I find 

I use it.



I made a test fixture with a hydraulic jack, and A5's really tear apart

easily, always before the surrounding material. Solids generally tear

out a hunk of material. I have never failed a solid, always the material

the rivet is in fails first (that is with 6061 sheet)



A5's are strong initially in sheer because of the steel core, but as soon

as the structure deforms, the heads pop right off. Not very impressive

in my opinion.



Regards,

Jeff

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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: Riveting rudder hinge

Good question, I think they would be OK. I would call ZAC before using SS  though.  do not archive

  

 John  Read



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JohnDRead(at)aol.com    wrote:     	  Quote: 	
		            If you are worried about strength why not use A6 rivets. If you use      either bolts or solids you will need access to the inside of the      rudder.

      

     John      Read



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If you use bolts you will need to have        access plates installed. A better

way if you're worried about the        rivets is to use Solids. They are MUCH

stronger than        A5's



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Jeff





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