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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:49 am Post subject: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?

All

  

 I have a problem - I cannot find any safe way to clean  the wind shield.

 As you all know it gets very easily hair  scratches.

 With those scrathes it is not fun to fly against sun  - I do not wanna have them any more!

 Have seen nightmares "hey I am going to replace Europa´s  windshield".

  

 I have tried to rinse it with plenty of warm water and  cleaning detergents but that is not enough.

 I am not brave enough to wipe it clean or touch it at  all.

  

 Insects are the main problem - as Bob and Ivor well know  sometimes during summer here in Scandinavia exists two or even more little  insects (they claimed mosquitos).

  

 How do you do the job?

  

 Raimo OH-XRT

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mikenjulie.parkin(at)btin
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:49 am Post subject: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?

Raimo,  

   

I have used Plexus plastic polish.  With a soft cloth it works great.  

   

See  http://www.lasaero.com/site/products/article?id=M0375139X  

   

Regards,  

   

Mike  

       

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio

 Sent: 19 April 2009 18:55

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All  

    

   

    

I have a problem - I cannot find any safe way to clean the wind shield.  

    

As you all know it gets very easily hair scratches.  

    

With those scrathes it is not fun to fly against sun - I do not wanna have them any more!  

    

Have seen nightmares "hey I am going to replace Europa´s windshield".  

    

   

    

I have tried to rinse it with plenty of warm water and cleaning detergents but that is not enough.  

    

I am not brave enough to wipe it clean or touch it at all.  

    

   

    

Insects are the main problem - as Bob and Ivor well know sometimes during summer here in Scandinavia exists two or even more little insects (they claimed mosquitos).  

    

   

    

How do you do the job?  

    

   

    

Raimo OH-XRT  

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ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:22 pm Post subject: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?

Hi! Raimo  

What mosquitos?  I thought they were helicopters !You said it was the Finnish Air Force, anyway they took a liking to my bad meat !!  

I use “Clear View” Part No. AVL-CV-16   Http://www.avlab.com  

But I bought it at Oshkosh Airventure 2002 in an aerosol can and it is still good for many years yet.  

Be sure to use lots of soapy water to flush any grit / bugs away and dry off first.  

Regards  

Bob H  G-PTAG  

   

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rlborger(at)mac.com
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Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:50 pm Post subject: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?

Raimo,



I use the stuff recommended by LP Aero Plastics, the folks who make the windows for Europa (at least here in the U.S. anyway).  Go to their web site ( http://www.lpaero.com/ ) and click on the "Products" tab.  From there go to the "Accessories" section.  All their recommended products are listed and available there.

I will also send a copy of their care and maintenance instructions directly to you.

Check six,

 Bob Borger

Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S

http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL

Aircraft Flying!

3705 Lynchburg Dr.

Corinth, TX  76208

Home:  940-497-2123

Cel:  817-992-1117



 



On Apr 19, 2009, at 12:54, Raimo Toivio wrote:

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		  All

 

I have a problem - I cannot find any safe way to clean the wind shield.

As you all know it gets very easily hair scratches.

With those scrathes it is not fun to fly against sun - I do not wanna have them any more!

Have seen nightmares "hey I am going to replace Europa´s windshield".

 

I have tried to rinse it with plenty of warm water and cleaning detergents but that is not enough.

I am not brave enough to wipe it clean or touch it at all.

 

Insects are the main problem - as Bob and Ivor well know sometimes during summer here in Scandinavia exists two or even more little insects (they claimed mosquitos).

 

How do you do the job?

 

Raimo OH-XRT

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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:09 am Post subject: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?

Bob

  

 Thanks for good advice.

  

 As I have noticed by myself - it is not a problem to make  it clean.

 It is a problem to make it clean w/o same time making  those invisible scratches.

  

  That copy "Aircraft windshield and window care and  maintenance" was exellent.

 Everybody should have it and read it  carefully.

  



 Lessons to learn:

 Rinse, rinse and once more rinse until all the hard  particles are surely away.

 Using only a finger nail to remove bugs or helicopters is  a good idea.

 "Any paper is bad" is good to know. 

 Old gotton T-shirts are good 

 Also must be very carefull when using canopy covers or  even avoid using them at least during windy conditions.

  

 By the way - maybe the gentlest, easiest and  most effective way to clean it is to fly through heavy rain...someone may  think it is not the safest way - I have noticed there may exist some  surprises.

  

 Some motorcyclists use some kind of easily changeable  transparent film to protect their helmet vizors. Obviously no optical problems.  How is that for windshield (just front of P1)?

  

 Raimo OH-XRT

  

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craigb(at)onthenet.com.au
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:54 am Post subject: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?

Interesting you mention the "tear off's" from motor cycle visors. Nascar  (american car racing series)

 now  use "tear off's" on their windscreens at speeds of over 200mph. This could be  worth a look on

 our  A/C.

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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:34 am Post subject: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?

Craig I agree - do you know the source for "tear  off´s"?

  

 200 mph is just good!

  

 Size around 300 x 900 mm = 12 x 36 " would do the job and  that size is also for P2.

 If you need tinted you can have.

 I guess changing it once a year would be what we you  need.

 And no risk to spoil shield when cleaning.

  

 One plus point maybe more: it will be a little  more rigid when bird collision happens.

 Or when you drop something onto it.

  

 Raimo OH-XRT

  

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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:39 am Post subject: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?

Bob

  

 I went there and had a nice chat with Neith  Good.

 Unfortunately they are classified to be dangerous items  so delivery costs are Huge to Europe.

 Price for one can only was 175$ plus the product  itself.

 Try to find some good stuf here.

  

 The maintenance instructions were great, thank  you.

  

 Raimo OH-XRT

  

  

  

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gregoryf.flyboy(at)comcas
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:03 pm Post subject: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?

In the motorcycle world, I have heard of spray-on Lemon Pledge being used on Plexiglas windshields. It is not for cleaning or repairing scratches, but might provide a slick surface barrier (on an already clean windshield) to protect against them. It should also allow the bugs to come off easily, or stick less to begin with.  

It is not supposed to go yellow either, like Rain-X is supposed to do to it, over time. It has the added benefit of allowing the water to slip right off. Granted, I have never used it on aircraft, but maybe someone has?  

I figure aircraft Plexi is similar to motorcycle Plexi, though.  

   

Regards,  

Greg Fuchs A050 XS Tri 1100 Hours into it  

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On Apr 19, 2009, at 12:54, Raimo Toivio wrote:  

  



 

         

All  

    

   

    

I have a problem - I cannot find any safe way to clean the wind shield.  

    

As you all know it gets very easily hair scratches.  

    

With those scrathes it is not fun to fly against sun - I do not wanna have them any more!  

    

Have seen nightmares "hey I am going to replace Europa´s windshield".  

    

   

    

I have tried to rinse it with plenty of warm water and cleaning detergents but that is not enough.  

    

I am not brave enough to wipe it clean or touch it at all.  

    

   

    

Insects are the main problem - as Bob and Ivor well know sometimes during summer here in Scandinavia exists two or even more little insects (they claimed mosquitos).  

    

   

    

How do you do the job?  

    

   

    

Raimo OH-XRT  

  

  

  

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dglauser(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:27 pm Post subject: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?

I used Pledge on my motorcycle visor for years - it works well to cover small scratches. Regular Pledge is better than the lemon variety. It seems to leave less residue.



dg



On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Greg Fuchs <gregoryf.flyboy(at)comcast.net (gregoryf.flyboy(at)comcast.net)> wrote:

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In the motorcycle world, I have heard of spray-on Lemon Pledge being used on Plexiglas windshields. It is not for cleaning or repairing scratches, but might provide a slick surface barrier (on an already clean windshield) to protect against them. It should also allow the bugs to come off easily, or stick less to begin with.  

It is not supposed to go yellow either, like Rain-X is supposed to do to it, over time. It has the added benefit of allowing the water to slip right off. Granted, I have never used it on aircraft, but maybe someone has?  

I figure aircraft Plexi is similar to motorcycle Plexi, though.  

   

Regards,  

Greg Fuchs A050 XS Tri 1100 Hours into it  

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On Apr 19, 2009, at 12:54, Raimo Toivio wrote:  

  



 

         

All   

    

   

    

I have a problem - I cannot find any safe way to clean the wind shield.  

    

As you all know it gets very easily hair scratches.  

    

With those scrathes it is not fun to fly against sun - I do not wanna have them any more!  

    

Have seen nightmares "hey I am going to replace Europa´s windshield".  

    

   

    

I have tried to rinse it with plenty of warm water and cleaning detergents but that is not enough.  

    

I am not brave enough to wipe it clean or touch it at all.  

    

   

    

Insects are the main problem - as Bob and Ivor well know sometimes during summer here in Scandinavia exists two or even more little insects (they claimed mosquitos).  

    

   

    

How do you do the job?   

    

   

    

Raimo OH-XRT   

  

  

  

   



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chris.cameron(at)paradise
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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:26 am Post subject: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?

When I was learning to fly, the Traumahawks  windshields were polished with Pledge at least once a day!  Didn't seem to  make any difference to the view!  Yet to try  it on a Europa!

  

 Cheers

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		           From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com    [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg    Fuchs

Sent: Wednesday, 29 April 2009 12:57 p.m.

To:    europa-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Cleaning    windshield - how to do it safely?

   

      

In the motorcycle    world, I have heard of spray-on Lemon Pledge being used on Plexiglas    windshields. It is not for cleaning or repairing scratches, but might provide    a slick surface barrier (on an already clean windshield) to protect against    them. It should also allow the bugs to come off easily, or stick less to begin    with.   

It is not supposed to    go yellow either, like Rain-X is supposed to do to it, over time. It has the    added benefit of allowing the water to slip right off. Granted, I have never    used it on aircraft, but maybe someone has?   

I figure aircraft    Plexi is similar to motorcycle Plexi, though.   

    

Regards,   

Greg Fuchs A050 XS    Tri 1100 Hours into it   

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On Apr 19, 2009, at 12:54, Raimo Toivio      wrote:

     

               

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I have a problem      - I cannot find any safe way to clean the wind      shield.

          

As you all know      it gets very easily hair scratches.

          

With those      scrathes it is not fun to fly against sun - I do not wanna have them      any more!

          

Have seen      nightmares "hey I am going to replace Europa´s      windshield".

          

 

          

I have tried to      rinse it with plenty of warm water and cleaning detergents but that is not      enough.

          

I am not brave      enough to wipe it clean or touch it at all.

          

 

          

Insects are the      main problem - as Bob and Ivor well know sometimes during summer here      in Scandinavia exists two or even more      little insects (they claimed mosquitos).

          

 

          

How do you do the      job?

          

 

          

Raimo      OH-XRT



 



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pjeffers(at)talktalk.net
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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:04 am Post subject: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?

We have used Pledge on our classic Europa windshields for 13 years now.  Excellent cleaning poroperties and has shown no apparent deleterious effects.  It is also very easy to use.

 The Gliding club  on our airfield has also used Pledge on canopies for years.

 

 Pete Jeffers

 

   

 

   

 

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rampil

Joined: 04 May 2007
Posts: 870

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:42 am Post subject: Re: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?

"pledge on Plexi"



Interesting! Yes I have heard that motorcyclists use furniture polish on 

their windshields.  



The methyl methacrylate product manufacturers like LP Aero (George)

say it is a bad idea.  Then again, they profit from the sale of specialty

cleaners and polish.



I got quite an education on swirls and scratches at SnF last week.

A key notion, not mentioned previously is that when cleaning the plexi,

first use copious water spray, then wipe with cotton with only LINEAR

strokes.



I trust George's products for reducing swirl marks.



I also have a scratch or two for which George sent me to the MicroMesh

tent for their repair kit.  



I am awaiting delivery!  I'll then report back!



Ira

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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:40 am Post subject: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?

What JohnsonÂ´s Pledge brand name you use?

 Maybe Multi Surface Cleaner?

 http://www.pledge.com/multi-surface-cleaner/

  

 Quite many of you have reported for Pledge.

  

 Raimo OH-XRT

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rick(at)amimotormanagemen
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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:49 am Post subject: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?

Hi Ira

Nice to see you again at S&F.  You'll love Micromesh!

Rick

Rick Morris G-RIKS

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gregoryf.flyboy(at)comcas
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Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:04 pm Post subject: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?

Raimo-  

   

From Memory, It looks like ‘natural beauty’ (spray) is the one I used on my fairing and face shield. This one has the fresh lemony scent.   

However, on the advice of David G, I will probably switch over to regular Pledge the next time I buy. Possibly, David, can point to what particular pledge product he has used, and/or one of the other posters?  

   

Regards,  

Greg Fuchs        

  

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio

 Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:44 AM

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?  

  

     

What Johnson´s Pledge brand name you use?  

    

Maybe Multi Surface Cleaner?  

    

http://www.pledge.com/multi-surface-cleaner/  

    

   

    

Quite many of you have reported for Pledge.  

    

   

    

Raimo OH-XRT  

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pjeffers(at)talktalk.net
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Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 8:59 am Post subject: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?

My slight apologies, I have just been out to look at the bottle and the product we actually use is:-  

Original Mr Sheen multi surface polish.  I am sure Pledge multi surface will be pretty well identical.  

   

Pete Jeffers  

       

  

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio

 Sent: 29 April 2009 17:44

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?  

   

     

What Johnson´s Pledge brand name you use?  

    

Maybe Multi Surface Cleaner?  

    

http://www.pledge.com/multi-surface-cleaner/  

    

   

    

Quite many of you have reported for Pledge.  

    

   

    

Raimo OH-XRT  

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pjeffers(at)talktalk.net
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Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 8:59 am Post subject: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?

My slight apologies, I have just been out to look at the bottle and the product we actually use is:-  

Original Mr Sheen multi surface polish.  I am sure Pledge multi surface will be pretty well identical.  

   

Pete Jeffers  

       

  

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio

 Sent: 29 April 2009 17:44

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Cleaning windshield - how to do it safely?  

   

     

What Johnson´s Pledge brand name you use?  

    

Maybe Multi Surface Cleaner?  

    

http://www.pledge.com/multi-surface-cleaner/  

    

   

    

Quite many of you have reported for Pledge.  

    

   

    

Raimo OH-XRT  

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