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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:08 am Post subject: voltage regulators/alternator

I thought I was going to mount my alternator this weekend and finish everything up. Again no instruction in the box for the Plane Power alternator, so I looked online and found the installation instructions. 

WHere do I purchase the R1224 regulator? I didn't see it on Vans site or ACS.

Silly me to think the gum balls would actually come in the gum ball machine

Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:43 am Post subject: voltage regulators/alternator

http://www.plane-power.com/R1224.htm

http://www.plane-power.com/dealers.htm

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/planePowerSAL.php

 http://www.chiefaircraft.com/airsec/Aircraft/ElectricalSystem/Alternators.html

Airpower has it as well for $150, Chief 155 and the rest of the dealers shown seem to want $168.

 

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:04 AM, John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com (indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com)> wrote:

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		        I thought I was going to mount my alternator this weekend and finish everything up. Again no instruction in the box for the Plane Power alternator, so I looked online and found the installation instructions. 



 WHere do I purchase the R1224 regulator? I didn't see it on Vans site or ACS.

Silly me to think the gum balls would actually come in the gum ball machine.

John

 



 

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Tim Olson

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:44 am Post subject: voltage regulators/alternator

What alternator did you get that requires a regulator?  Most

of the plane-Power's that people are using are coming

with the built-in regulator and there's very little that

needs to be wired.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

do not archive

On 1/20/2011 8:04 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I thought I was going to mount my alternator this weekend and finish

 everything up. Again no instruction in the box for the Plane Power

 alternator, so I looked online and found the installation instructions.



 WHere do I purchase the R1224 regulator? I didn't see it on Vans site or

 ACS.



 Silly me to think the gum balls would actually come in the gum ball machine.



 John



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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:07 am Post subject: voltage regulators/alternator

Plane power sells both varieties. Opinions vary about the merits of built-in regulators in an aircraft setting where it is desirable to be able to turn off all alternator output. Depends on your outlook as to who will be fixing any electrical problems after a failure, given that most A&Ps are only familiar with externally regulated alternators that exist on certified planes. The point being internal vs external alternator regulation is to the AeroElectric email list what primer debates are to most OBAM lists like this one.

 

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:

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 What alternator did you get that requires a regulator?  Most

 of the plane-Power's that people are using are coming

 with the built-in regulator and there's very little that

 needs to be wired.

 

 

 Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

 do not archive



 

 

 On 1/20/2011 8:04 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		   I thought I was going to mount my alternator this weekend and finish

 everything up. Again no instruction in the box for the Plane Power

 alternator, so I looked online and found the installation instructions.

 

 WHere do I purchase the R1224 regulator? I didn't see it on Vans site or

 ACS.

 

 Silly me to think the gum balls would actually come in the gum ball machine.

 

 John

 

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Kellym

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:16 am Post subject: voltage regulators/alternator

OTOH, Tim maybe correct. Verify which model you have from Plane Power to 

see whether it needs external regulator, or if it already has one 

built-in. I sorta recall Van's favoring the internally regulated versions.

On 1/20/2011 8:02 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Plane power sells both varieties. Opinions vary about the merits of 

 built-in regulators in an aircraft setting where it is desirable to be 

 able to turn off all alternator output. Depends on your outlook as to 

 who will be fixing any electrical problems after a failure, given that 

 most A&Ps are only familiar with externally regulated alternators that 

 exist on certified planes. The point being internal vs external 

 alternator regulation is to the AeroElectric email list what primer 

 debates are to most OBAM lists like this one.



 On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com 

 <mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com>> wrote:



     

     <mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com>>



     What alternator did you get that requires a regulator?  Most

     of the plane-Power's that people are using are coming

     with the built-in regulator and there's very little that

     needs to be wired.

     Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

     do not archive



     On 1/20/2011 8:04 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:



         I thought I was going to mount my alternator this weekend and

         finish

         everything up. Again no instruction in the box for the Plane Power

         alternator, so I looked online and found the installation

         instructions.



         WHere do I purchase the R1224 regulator? I didn't see it on

         Vans site or

         ACS.



         Silly me to think the gum balls would actually come in the gum

         ball machine.



         John

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pilotdds(at)aol.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:53 am Post subject: voltage regulators/alternator

The plane power alternator that vans sells is internally regulated and has built in over voltage protection-much simpler wiring,so John, relax.

 

   

 

 

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Strasnuts

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:54 am Post subject: voltage regulators/alternator

My planepower from vans has the internal regulator. 



Sent from my iPhone



On Jan 20, 2011, at 8:14, Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> wrote:



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 OTOH, Tim maybe correct. Verify which model you have from Plane Power to see whether it needs external regulator, or if it already has one built-in. I sorta recall Van's favoring the internally regulated versions.

 

 

 On 1/20/2011 8:02 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

> Plane power sells both varieties. Opinions vary about the merits of built-in regulators in an aircraft setting where it is desirable to be able to turn off all alternator output. Depends on your outlook as to who will be fixing any electrical problems after a failure, given that most A&Ps are only familiar with externally regulated alternators that exist on certified planes. The point being internal vs external alternator regulation is to the AeroElectric email list what primer debates are to most OBAM lists like this one.

> 

> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com <mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com>> wrote:

> 

>    

>    <mailto:Tim(at)myrv10.com>>

> 

>    What alternator did you get that requires a regulator?  Most

>    of the plane-Power's that people are using are coming

>    with the built-in regulator and there's very little that

>    needs to be wired.

> 

> 

>    Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

>    do not archive

> 

> 

> 

>    On 1/20/2011 8:04 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:

> 

>        I thought I was going to mount my alternator this weekend and

>        finish

>        everything up. Again no instruction in the box for the Plane Power

>        alternator, so I looked online and found the installation

>        instructions.

> 

>        WHere do I purchase the R1224 regulator? I didn't see it on

>        Vans site or

>        ACS.

> 

>        Silly me to think the gum balls would actually come in the gum

>        ball machine.

> 

>        John

>

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:37 am Post subject: voltage regulators/alternator

You can turn off the Alt Field on the internally regulated alternator just like you would from an externally regulated one, right?  If the alternator or regulator fails, you replace it or send it in for repair, or have someone locally repair it if there are still people around that do that.  Oh, btw, I use the Akzo Nobel 2-part epoxy primer on all internal parts.



do not archive



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

C: 352-427-0285

F: 815-377-3694



On Jan 20, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Plane power sells both varieties. Opinions vary about the merits of built-in regulators in an aircraft setting where it is desirable to be able to turn off all alternator output. Depends on your outlook as to who will be fixing any electrical problems after a failure, given that most A&Ps are only familiar with externally regulated alternators that exist on certified planes. The point being internal vs external alternator regulation is to the AeroElectric email list what primer debates are to most OBAM lists like this one.

indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:07 am Post subject: voltage regulators/alternator

I am cementing PJC crowns 23-27 and veneer of 22....relax...sho are you kiddding!!!!

  

 Not at home to look at the box, but I do know the alternator has a built in over voltage protection.

 

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Subject: Re: voltage regulators/alternator

From: pilotdds(at)aol.com

Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:47:49 -0500



The plane power alternator that vans sells is internally regulated and has built in over voltage protection-much simpler wiring,so John, relax.



 

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dlm34077(at)q.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:09 am Post subject: voltage regulators/alternator

yes, I just turn off the W31 5A breaker to shut off the alternator output. 

Replacing the integrated diodes,regulator and brushes is a single field 

installed part ; cost me about $50. But of course did not solve the problem 

in my case.

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2879

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:23 am Post subject: voltage regulators/alternator

If it has built-in OVP, then it's internally regulated. In that

case you don't need a regulator.  I understand Kelly's

original statement from that perspective.  I was just

basically operating under the understanding that most people

building RV-10's that have Plane-power alternators from Van's,

were getting internally regulated and OVP'd alternators,

and if that were true, you shouldn't have a need to buy

a regulator.  The wiring is also dead simple.



The one gotcha I can add....before I did my first flight,

I thought I had an alternator problem. Turns out I didn't

push hard enough on the connector on the rear of the

alternator to click in the connector, and it had come

loose.  So, when you connect that connector, make sure you

push it in until you get a definite click.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

do not archive

On 1/20/2011 11:04 AM, John Gonzalez wrote:

[quote] I am cementing PJC crowns 23-27 and veneer of 22....relax...sho are you

 kiddding!!!!



 Not at home to look at the box, but I do know the alternator has a built

 in over voltage protection.



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 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: voltage regulators/alternator

 From: pilotdds(at)aol.com

 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:47:49 -0500



 The plane power alternator that vans sells is internally regulated and

 has built in over voltage protection-much simpler wiring,so John, relax.



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Kelly McMullen

Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:17 pm Post subject: voltage regulators/alternator

Not on all of them Jesse. Might be okay on Plane Power, don't know for sure. The automotive ones are NOT designed to allow field to be turned off while there is a load on the alternator, and can be substantially damaged by doing so.

 There is no such issue or concern on externally regulated, and gives you option of which regulator goes with your choice of primer. 



On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:

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		  --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>

  

 You can turn off the Alt Field on the internally regulated alternator just like you would from an externally regulated one, right?  If the alternator or regulator fails, you replace it or send it in for repair, or have someone locally repair it if there are still people around that do that.  Oh, btw, I use the Akzo Nobel 2-part epoxy primer on all internal parts.

  

 do not archive

 

 Jesse Saint

 Saint Aviation, Inc.

 jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

 C: 352-427-0285

 F: 815-377-3694

 

 On Jan 20, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

 

 > Plane power sells both varieties. Opinions vary about the merits of built-in regulators in an aircraft setting where it is desirable to be able to turn off all alternator output. Depends on your outlook as to who will be fixing any electrical problems after a failure, given that most A&Ps are only familiar with externally regulated alternators that exist on certified planes. The point being internal vs external alternator regulation is to the AeroElectric email list what primer debates are to most OBAM lists like this one.

  

 

 

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject: voltage regulators/alternator

I wonder if that's why Van's dropped the automotive alternators from the FWF kit and started using the Plane Power.  If you asked them about the earlier alternator, though, they would likely say that they have not heard from any customers about problems with them.

 Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

C: 352-427-0285

F: 815-377-3694 

 

On Jan 20, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

[quote]Not on all of them Jesse. Might be okay on Plane Power, don't know for sure. The automotive ones are NOT designed to allow field to be turned off while there is a load on the alternator, and can be substantially damaged by doing so.

 There is no such issue or concern on externally regulated, and gives you option of which regulator goes with your choice of primer. 



On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)>

  

 You can turn off the Alt Field on the internally regulated alternator just like you would from an externally regulated one, right?  If the alternator or regulator fails, you replace it or send it in for repair, or have someone locally repair it if there are still people around that do that.  Oh, btw, I use the Akzo Nobel 2-part epoxy primer on all internal parts.

  

 do not archive

 

 Jesse Saint

 Saint Aviation, Inc.

 jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

 C: 352-427-0285

 F: 815-377-3694

 

 On Jan 20, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

 

 > Plane power sells both varieties. Opinions vary about the merits of built-in regulators in an aircraft setting where it is desirable to be able to turn off all alternator output. Depends on your outlook as to who will be fixing any electrical problems after a failure, given that most A&Ps are only familiar with externally regulated alternators that exist on certified planes. The point being internal vs external alternator regulation is to the AeroElectric email list what primer debates are to most OBAM lists like this one.

  

 

 

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:35 pm Post subject: voltage regulators/alternator

Mine went out at 67 hrs, bought a plane power and have not looked back. Yes, it did say not to turn the alternator off-on with a load on it. I believe it was in vans info.

Patrick Thyssen

N15PT



--- On Thu, 1/20/11, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>

Subject: Re: voltage regulators/alternator

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 6:45 PM



I wonder if that's why Van's dropped the automotive alternators from the FWF kit and started using the Plane Power.  If you asked them about the earlier alternator, though, they would likely say that they have not heard from any customers about problems  with them.

 Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

[url=/mc/compose?to=jesse(at)saintaviation.com]jesse(at)saintaviation.com[/url]

C: 352-427-0285

F: 815-377-3694 

 

On Jan 20, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Not on all of them Jesse. Might be okay on Plane Power, don't know for sure. The automotive ones are NOT designed to allow field to be turned off while there is a load on the alternator, and can be substantially damaged by doing so.

 There is no such issue or concern on externally regulated, and gives you option of which regulator goes with your choice of primer. 



On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Jesse Saint <[url=/mc/compose?to=jesse(at)saintaviation.com]jesse(at)saintaviation.com[/url]> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		  --> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <[url=/mc/compose?to=jesse(at)saintaviation.com]jesse(at)saintaviation.com[/url]>

  

 You can turn off the Alt Field on the internally regulated alternator just like you would from an externally regulated one, right?  If the alternator or regulator fails, you replace it or send it in for repair, or have someone locally repair it if there are still people around that do that.  Oh, btw, I use the Akzo Nobel 2-part epoxy primer on all internal parts.

  

 do not archive

 

 Jesse Saint

 Saint Aviation, Inc.

 [url=/mc/compose?to=jesse(at)saintaviation.com]jesse(at)saintaviation.com[/url]

 C: 352-427-0285

 F: 815-377-3694

 

 On Jan 20, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

 

 > Plane power sells both varieties. Opinions vary about the merits of built-in regulators in an aircraft setting where it is desirable to be able to turn off all alternator output. Depends on your outlook as to who will be fixing any electrical problems after a failure, given that most A&Ps are only familiar with externally regulated alternators that exist on certified planes. The point being internal vs external alternator regulation is to the AeroElectric email list what primer debates are to most OBAM lists like this one.

  

 

 

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:14 pm Post subject: voltage regulators/alternator

Is there any other script in the tech support room?

On 1/20/2011 5:45 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   **  If you asked them about the earlier alternator, though, they would 

 likely say that they have not heard from any customers about problems 

 with them.



 Jesse Saint

 Saint Aviation, Inc.

 jesse(at)saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse(at)saintaviation.com>

 C: 352-427-0285

 F: 815-377-3694

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Tim Olson

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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:25 pm Post subject: voltage regulators/alternator

"Just build the plane!"



Tim



On Jan 20, 2011, at 8:11 PM, Kelly McMullen <kellym(at)aviating.com> wrote:



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 Is there any other script in the tech support room?

 

 

 On 1/20/2011 5:45 PM, Jesse Saint wrote:

> **  If you asked them about the earlier alternator, though, they would likely say that they have not heard from any customers about problems with them.

> 

> Jesse Saint

> Saint Aviation, Inc.

> jesse(at)saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse(at)saintaviation.com>

> C: 352-427-0285

> F: 815-377-3694

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